Disease Prevention and Health Reseach

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  1. fuzzy1

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    Still in De Nile?
     
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    Not denying I got the bug at least 3 times confirmed "after" the 2 mandatory shots required by .gov to keep my career in commercial aviation. I bet you wish I would forget and let the truth fade away, but I will argue about this every time anyone repeats/defends the lies about the "so-called" COVID vaccines we were fed. If you don't like it...don't listen/respond.

    Either way...I don't care.
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    So you still don't get how vaccines work?
     
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    That's because the covid shot isn't a vaccine. A real vaccine, like the polio, provides your body with immunity against the virus...that's why polio has all but been eradicated.

    Concerning the covid jab, they say "it lowers the risk of getting sick"

    But I can think of a lot of OTHER ways to avoid getting sick like eating healthy, getting enough exercise, and getting enough rest/sleep.

    Y'all can have the latest and greatest jabs coming down the line...no thanks, I'm not contributing to big pharmas endless persuit of my money by coming out with more shots than a pin cushion.

    We have grandkids and our 1980's kids only got a handful of shots. Now, they want kids to have 27 shots before they are 2 years old!

    Advances in "science" or good marketing strategies by big pharma? (Are kids healthier today than in the 1980's? Hardly) I don't remember a single Children's Hospital during those years...now there are everywhere.
     
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    There is no pharmaceutical prophylactic or cure for SARS-CoV-2...period.
     
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    how is it different from paxlovid?
     
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    A real vaccine gives your adaptive immune system something to recognize in advance, so that later on if you are infected by the pathogen, your immune system's response to the infection you now have will be faster than without.

    That faster response, during that critical early period when a virus is multiplying in your body, can make a huge difference in the symptoms you feel, or even whether you notice any symptoms ("get sick") at all.

    Where polio's concerned, two IPV jabs give you 90%, and three give you 99–100%, that you're not going to experience paralytic polio. (Hmm, sounds like it lowers the risk of getting sick.) If you're exposed to poliovirus, you'll just replicate it in your gut for a while as your immune system fights it off, and be a poliovirus factory for people downstream of you, while not feeling sick yourself.

    The oral polio vaccines, more used in the developing world and less used here, are better at suppressing that gut replication, but have their own problems—all going toward why polio has still only "all but been" eradicated.

    That all makes polio not a great example for anybody's simpleminded notion of how vaccines work.

    Just how much vaccination reduces the symptoms, or allows you to fight off the infection without ever thinking you were sick, depends on a lot of things, like how much of the pathogen you were exposed to, and the reproductive rate of that particular bug, how often it mutates to become less similar to the vaccine, and a lot of even hairier details.
     
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    I know of no one who ever caught Measles, mumps, rubella and/or pollio after those vaccines. Everyone I know caught covid 1-5 times (that they know of) after the shots. Actually just about every one caught it. What about those minute few out there that didn't? Why don't they talk about those? I'm sure there is some obscure study that can find a one in 10,000,000 variance...but those are my real world observations.

    ...and before anyone gets their panties in a wad again. We chose to get the covid SHOTS and mask up because we believed what we were being told...even though we essentially had no choice...and not because were were "guilted" to by .gov or our fellow citizens.

    Now do you folks really want to rehash all the lies we were told, freedoms we had removed and selective enforcements as well...while all this BS was going on? For something that did not work.

    Get your thinking caps on now...mid-terms are just around the corner.
     
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    a quick google search shows that a percentage of people who receive vaccines still contract the disease
     
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    I don't need google to tell me what I see first hand in real life.
     
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    agreed, but I haven't see enough polio victims to know whether they were vaccinated or not
     
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    That's because every child in the US was required to have the real vaccines for Pollio and MMR. Although I remember growing up in CA, there were a bunch of liberal types that fought all required vaccinations.
     
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    and some still contract those diseases, according to one hospital site I looked at
     
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    1-5 times in the next 2 years? :rolleyes: The covid shots did/do not work. The bug mutated and got weaker...as was predicted. I will not be forbidden my freedoms to work, live, play and function in life again.
     
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    My favorite quote:

    Dr. W. Edwards Deming famously taught that organizations must embrace continuous transformation to remain relevant. While frequently paraphrased as "It is not necessary to change; survival is not mandatory," his associate Clare Crawford-Mason noted his exact phrasing was actually closer to
    "Survival is optional. No one has to change."

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    "...and before anyone gets their panties in a wad again. We chose to get the covid SHOTS and mask up because we believed what we were being told...even though we essentially had no choice...and not because were were "guilted" to by .gov or our fellow citizens."

    Try again Sir. :rolleyes:
     
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    "Survival is optional. No one has to change."
    - Dr. Edward Deming


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    I bet you will continue to wish that the differential death rate evidence of vaxxed vs unvaxxed people, posted here back at the time, will just fade away so you can continue to not address it. But each time you ignore it and declare the contrary, I will remind readers that you don't respond to that evidence.