How long before that new car is just a throw away item?

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  1. futurist

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    My gen-1 Paseo was 20yo when sold in WA for $200 to the kid of a friend of mine -- had 285K, on the original clutch, and still got 35 mpg.

    There was a JDM 1.3L turbo version of that car's engine (4E-FTE) that bolted right in, provided you had the right ECU and pigtail harness adapters -- could take a lot more boost than OEM, as in 180 wheel hp with no real hit on reliability. Back when I was thinking about it Y2Ks... getting a 4E-FTE shipped from JDM cost as much for shipping as the motor / trans, something crazy like $600 shipped. So you could have a 180 whp, 2000-lb-soaking-wet FWD rocket roller skate, for $600 and your own labour to drop the drivetrain in (probably needed an LSD and shorter gearing from a Starlet C52 5-spd, whilst we're dreaming :p )

    Could kick myself for not going for it in Y2Ks, would've been a terror to the BMW crowd of the Dubya years :D
     
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    What gets me about the '4-cylinder turbo to replace V8s' path in up-to-half-tonne in the States... is the reason why mfrs added cylinder count in the first place, early 20th century.

    Ford had lots of Fours in the early 20th century -- selling them as fast as could be built. But the issue with Inline-Fours, is they only get a combustion stroke in two places in a crank revolution. When Ford introduced the Flathead V8, that added two more places on the crank, torque could be applied... and thus gangsters bought them up :p

    This is why 60-deg V12s feel almost effortless under throttle -- you have six places on the crank each cylinder is applying torque, smoothing out the delta between them. Trucks that haul or climb w/ 4WD need this torque, thus the ubiquitous 90-deg V8 in most passenger gas applications.

    But when you turbocharge an I-4... all you do is increase the amt of push, until the next cylinder can fire, 180-crank degrees away -- making the delta larger, not smaller. Compound this with the extra heat... and this is why turbocharged Fours don't last all that long in HD hauling or climbing applications -- they have to be spinning pretty fast for those deltas not to catch up with you.

    Toyota's V8s used to be loafing at their purpose for being. This new turbo V6 isn't going to inherit the legacy of Toyota V8s, for many reasons but for this discussion, due to this focus on short-term-gain on emissions, at the cost of being far less reliable and long-lived for the people buying 4WD trucks. It's better than making a Four do Tundra work... but only going to get worse before petrol ICEs are phased out entirely.
     
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    A vehicle bought after around 2023 will have clearances for bearings etc, so fine a human hair wrapped around the crankshaft journal would cause a locked engine.
    Gone are the days when just adding thicker oil would increase the oil pressure and quieten the engine noises, 0W thickness oil has problems circulating on start up, try running one of the reliable older 6 or 8 cyl on 0W - 20W oil, it would be battling to make oil pressure cold.
    Here is a late model Toyota engine teardown
    and another by "I do Cars"
    that I enjoy watching to see where the internal combustion engine is headed .... and it doesn't look good for it still being sold in new cars in the foreseeable future .... emission and fuel economy demands will be the end of them ....

    T1 Terry