100 miles per week to keep the 12V battery from failing

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  1. thompsam

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    I have a 2025 Prius that I have owned for 15 months. I am on my 4th 12V battery. I live pretty close to most of the places I drive to and therefore don't typically put a lot of miles on the car unless I am driving out of town.
    This week the car's "Low battery" light came on and I took the car to the dealership because the last 2 times this happened, the battery failed shortly afterwards and the car wouldn't start.

    Once again, the dealership's service department told me that the battery tested bad and they replaced it. But then I was told that the reason the battery failed was that I don't drive the car enough to keep the battery from failing again, I was told I need to drive the car at least 100 miles per week. 100 miles? Seriously?

    Has anyone else had this situation and been told this horse hockey by the dealership? Has anyone found a way to get the Toyota corporate or the dealership's service department to acknowledge this is a defect with the vehicle and fix it?
     
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    What's your parking situation, would you be able to reliably hook up a charger?

    Another option, in particular if a charger is impractical, is some sort of cut-off switch, to isolate the 12 volt battery when the car's off. It is a bit of a hassle, and may lose some settings, say radio presets, for one.

    You could check what the "background" load is on the battery, basically you put an ammeter in series between the negative battery post and the car body, with the car fully "asleep". Around 20 milliamps is what you should be seeing, if there's grossly more, figure out why and deal with it if possible.
     
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    Not really horsehockey; frequent short hops will kill a regular car battery too. The real problem is that new ECU dependent cars draws more electricity, with key-less entry and push-button starter constantly scanning for your FOB. OEM's has also been putting smaller batteries into their cars at the same time. Your dealership could be mishandling those new batteries too. They are heavy and a lazy technician or stock clerk can easily slam them around; chipping away at the longevity of them. New batteries are sent out only half charged; so if they install a new battery without placing a full charge on them and your doing short-hops; not running the car long enough to recover the startup and down time between use - your slowly chipping away at the battery. It's like plugging in your cell phone for two minutes and expecting it to run for a week with that short recharge interval.

    Solutions:
    Place the car on an RV trickle charger when your not using it or at least overnight.
    And/or install a BM-2 battery monitor. This is a Bluetooth device, with a phone app that will give your battery status when your in range.
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/800183124112?_skw=bm2+battery+monitor&itmmeta=01KWYNJF5E7AJ15EQMPQESWAJ6&hash=itemba4ea18090:g:hEQAAeSw4OBpbJwn&itmprp=enc%3AAQALAAAA0LB2JXbe%2Bh2pdWBqbR2c2DvDrkIgYaInyZ6mJW0KcFTc7VuyTjpbaE%2FMrtSWVuC0AIfjeMfdlh3i1Uc1HfojpX5ilZs7iVQ8n2o0wbcDxlP6MwvBk1iBFu5FeTHvrjcF8XhtYiLiUwtEl%2BjOBLIBHvZebQ930gPfhUvQeQXe2ZIgPHu3lHJX1KgwHiLY9atpLSr12Px2%2BmWGNY9g9eNo9otFfAuo6dCtkrI1bnRDzAv6wGaXDFACyiJaGlLq0uQvTnq3TMeLgp%2FERw42eWQgojo%3D%7Ctkp%3ABlBMUPTyydXnZw
     
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    Thanks, but to me, the external charger is a way to get around a defect with an in warranty vehicle, not a fix to the root cause..

    it’s like if I picked up a nail in a tire and the tire dealership told me the solution to my problem was for me to go buy an air compressor and add air every 50 miles I drive. The air compressor does not address the root cause of the problem, which is the nail.
     
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    there are a few threads here regarding this problem that many are experiencing. read through them, there might be a helpful software update iirc, but it may not be the final solution.
    unfortunately, toyota dropped the engineering ball on this and is ignoring it and its customers.
     
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    With 4 batteries in 15 months that tact seems to be mostly flapping the sails? It could well be excessive background drain. Again I would check that, and consider a charger. We're driving 3k kms a year, at the most, and the 12 volt battery was installed in September of 2015. It pretty much lives on a charger.
     
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    When did Toyota add a “Low battery” indicator for anything other than the key fob battery?
     
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    I see what your trying to say here, but you running over a nail is NOT the dealerships or OEM's fault. That's like saying the dealership is responsible, if you get into an accident driving the new car home - they DON'T owe you a new car.
    Toyota has sold 56.5K 2025 Prius; if this was a manufacturer's defect - the NTSB would be looking into it. You should probably start filing lemon law paperwork - since this is their forth shot at fixing it. Hopefully your state has car lemon laws on the books.
    Have they even tried looking for a root cause; ie. run REAL diagnostics to determine if software is up to date and/or there's no parasitic current draws? If they are just replacing the batteries w/o looking for the root cause, are you selling it before the warranty runs out? What's the plan here? I believe dealership flat rate is north of $150/hr and tracking down a parasitic drain is at least a few hours; it's going to hurt if that happens on your dime - Just saying.
    Battery is covered under your 3 year or 36K mile bumper to bumper warranty - only the power train is covered for 5 years or 60K miles. The battery is NOT part of the power train warranty.

    Good Luck....
     
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    It pops up when people are in accessory mode and the 12V battery draws down.
     
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    Yes, in my state, NC, there is a lemon law and it requires the same repair be done 4 times. The car is on its 4th battery in 15 months so I doubt I will make it till 3 full years, let alone the end of the year before it fails again, The dealership claims they can’t find any type of parasitic drain, but there seems to be some reports on this site as well as Reddit and others disputing that. If it never fails again, I’ll chalk it up to 3 bad batteries but that just seems to be too much of a coincidence to be the case.