Still waiting for the king's Golden Age of America

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  1. ColoradoBoo

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    For me, NOT having a nuclear Iran makes this Administration super stars in my book! Any dumb stuff or "mean tweets" is nothing compared to THAT worldwide threat. (Which was a REAL existential threat....not any of the global warming scam nonsense.)

    Let the Democrats have their little internal-war.....crazy communists and socialists fighting with the "old school" Democrats like James Carville who isn't afraid to say the DNC has lost its way.
     
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    Wish the king was true to his word of taking all of Iran's nuclear material.

    He didn't, hasn't and likely never will

    He just got us into an expensive war.

    Unfortunately, we ate still paying for W's two wars and will continue to do so in the future.
     
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    Just editorial: who or what is "W"? "World"?
     
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    George W. Bush, dubbya for short probably to distinguish from George H. W. Bush. He seems like a kind competent genius compared to what we here have now. You’re lucky.
     
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    Should be "House of AI".....
     
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    We buried their nuclear material under thousands of tons of earth when we blew up the sites with bombs. How would you suggest we, now, go get it out without risking the lives of our US Military members?

    Seems very easy to be an arm-chair quarterback but, unlike Democrats, we live in the real world with real problems that Biden and Obama just ignored or, worse yet, made them worse. (Who can forget the PALLETS of cash Obama sent over to Iran? Do you honestly think that money went to help the Iranian citizens or, perhaps, it was used to buy yet more missiles and to fund terrorists all around the world? How many people died because of that??)

    Iran provides funding, weapons, and training to a network of militant and terrorist organizations across the Middle East, often referred to as the "Axis of Resistance". Key groups actively supported by Iran include: [1, 2]
    • Hezbollah: A heavily armed Shia militant and political group based in Lebanon, which serves as Iran's most prominent regional proxy. [1]
    • Hamas: The Palestinian Sunni-Islamist militant group governing the Gaza Strip. Iran supplies Hamas with significant funding and weaponry, including the rockets used in their operations. [1, 2, 3]
    • Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ): A prominent Palestinian militant organization heavily tied to Iran and dedicated to armed attacks against Israel. [1]
    • The Houthis (Ansar Allah): A Yemeni political and militant organization heavily backed by Iran in its ongoing conflict against the internationally recognized Yemeni government and its Saudi-led backers. [1, 2]
    • Iraqi Shia Militias: Iran funds, trains, and equips various militias operating in Iraq and Syria, collectively operating under the umbrella of the Islamic Resistance in Iraq, such as Kata'ib Hezbollah and Asa'ib Ahl al-Haq. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
    The primary coordinator and facilitator of this support is the Quds Force, the expeditionary wing of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC).
     
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    Yet no real world views when suggesting President Biden could go in and get the billions in equipment 45 put in Afghanistan. What that would have cost in lives and how to even do it during an evacuation. Maybe you should have stepped out of retirement and volunteered to be on the equipment suicide team. Let’s see, value of lives versus equipment, what would Jesus do.
    Pallets of cash? You better read up on 47’s actual shenanigans, and no agreement. President Obama did nothing wrong, it was in the agreement to get their seized money back. Nothing from taxpayers. Really, is there something the matter with you?
     
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    It's called the confirmation bias syndrome.

    He bought into the king's sales pitch hype.

    He makes all sorts of excuses to justify his choice even though the facts reveal otherwise.

    The long history of the king's performance sales hype eventually results in bankruptcy.

    Just look at the Lincoln Memorial reflecting pool.



     
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    "We buried their nuclear material under thousands of tons of earth when we blew up the sites with bombs. How would you suggest we, now, go get it out without risking the lives of our US Military members?"

    I would also speculate that some of the tanks of uranium hexafluoride were buried thus. I would not speculate that they all were.

    Down blending all that can be recovered with 238U isotope to less scary %s seems the most likely outcome, when explosions stop and a new international agreement can be negotiated.
     
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    That's nothing compared to the $300B in that MOU......... What does the "fiscally responsible" GOP have to say about that. Is Mexico going to pay that bill too????? Build the Wall.....
    BTW; $1.7B was Iranian money we've been sitting on when sanctions was implemented.
     
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    BTW; $1.7B was $400M in money Iran had paid for US weapons (not delivered) and $1.3B of interest payments thereon. Interest clock started in 1979.
     
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    Yes this is well known. America does it this way, and was respected for it by the world. We are not cheaters. Plus it was not President Obama’s authority and decision anyway. Up until now, America had a structure and rules even the President had to obey. Now we have someone tearing down the East Wing, before anyone can object, he just does it.
     
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    It was still their money!!
    You OK with the 300B?????? You know they're just going to shut down the Strait when they don't get their money...... The gift that just keeps on giving. Don't forget that this all started when 45 tore up the agreement. Who was 45 again???? I don't give points to kids that fix messes they've created in the first place......
     
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    No.
    It wasn't.

    Following the 1979 revolution, the monarchy was abolished and Iran was transformed into an Islamic Republic.
    Trivia questions:
    WHAT is the legal marriage age in Iran for girls?
    WHAT is the legal punishment for being gay in Iran?
    IS female genital mutilation allowed in Iran?

    I'm disappointed (but not surprised) at the number of leftists that continue to defend the IRGC....

    Don't believe me?
    Maybe ask the Googles - because everybody KNOWS how far right Alphabet is....

    Human rights in Iran are in a severe, escalating crisis, marked by mass executions, lethal crackdowns on protests, systemic gender oppression, and a sweeping assault on independent civil society and students. [1, 2, 3, 4]
    Human rights organizations and the UN are raising urgent alarms about the situation: [1]
    • Surge in Executions: Iranian authorities are carrying out executions at a pace unseen in decades. The state has significantly ramped up the use of the death penalty, frequently using grossly unfair trials and forced confessions. Over half of these executions are for drug-related offenses, blatantly violating international law. In response to this state policy, prisoners across dozens of facilities are risking their lives by staging weekly hunger strikes, a movement known as "No to Execution Tuesdays". [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]
    • Crackdown on Dissent: Peaceful protests continue to be met with unlawful force, mass arrests, and killings by security forces. The regime has launched sweeping crackdowns on university campuses, expelling and imprisoning students, and has severely intensified arrests and disbarments targeting independent lawyers. [1, 2, 3]
    • Gender-Based Oppression: The government maintains systemic subjugation of women and girls, enforcing compulsory veiling laws. Feminist activists face harsh penalties, imprisonment, and torture for resisting discriminatory dress codes. [1, 2, 3]
    • Targeting Minorities: Ethnic and religious minorities—particularly Kurdish, Baluchi, and Ahwazi Arab communities—are disproportionately impacted by the death penalty. The Baháʼí religious community also continues to face state-sponsored persecution
     
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    LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR - I'm not defending IRGC or their current government. I don't know how you got that from "it's their money"? There was also limitations on what that money could be used for. So what? Finders keepers?????

    But you've sidestepped and seem to be OK with handing them $300B NOW - WITHOUT limitations??????? Which they are most likely going to use to rebuild their missile and drone program and NOT use it to help rebuild their population. But you already know that, since you've done so much research already. Think of what they can do with $300B in unrestricted dollars??????
    Bomb our guys more effectively with larger swarm drone attacks????:(:oops::sleep:
     
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    You very clearly forgot the $300 Billion that Trump's MOU promised to Iran. 175 times more than Obama's JCPOA.
     
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