Had to draw my firearm last night...Scary!!

Wow. Good story. I am glad you and your wife are safe. I don't own a gun but probably should the way things are now. I am still amazed at how someone can justify taking things that belong to someone else. 98% chance that the money he needed was for drugs. Keep safe and get your garage door fixed.

 

Glad you are all ok. I hope the door to your house from the garage is very secure. I don't own a home here, but if I did, I would be paranoid to check that all the time. One thing to lose tools or a vehicle and another to lose a kid (unfortunately we keep hearing these things on the news).

 

This reminds me back in 1994, it was pouring down rain I was working a part-time security job at a Tropicana juice plant. We where out of coffee, so I left to get some from a near-by store. I stopped behind a car at a 4-way stop when all the sudden this guy starts trying to pull open the passenger door of my F-150. (it was locked) then another guy hits the drivers-side window "smash" I pulled my 357 and firmly planted the barrel in to the scum bags for head. It hit so hard it broke the skin, I think he thought I shot him as he started screaming and ran away He did have a knife that we found he must have dropped it in the scuffle...
Problem solved, and I didn't get jacked.

 

You should have pointed your taser at him and threatened to kick him in the gnads. I've heard on other threads here, that is the going thing in a gun free world.

Glad it all worked out for you. Any word on what happens next to the perp?

 

If he'd had a gun and shot you, would the tools have been worth it?

I may have shot him in the thigh just for trying to steal my tools. Bad karma to steal a man's tools.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Display Name @ Feb 23 2007, 10:32 PM) [snapback]395621[/snapback]</div>

It depends if he scratched my Prius or not trying to get away with my tools.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daronspicher @ Feb 23 2007, 07:12 PM) [snapback]395610[/snapback]</div>

Sigh can't you ever get it straight daron?!? Read the Manual! It says shoot him in the Gonads with the Taser! The kick is to set the Taser needles firmly so that they don't slip out after the first few shocks.

I had to drawn my Glock 19 twice. Once in San Francisco with an all out Asain gang war between two gangs going on, my wife and I were in the middle of it. No shots fired but my wife and I were somewhat out numbered. The two guys trying to get into our car backed off quickly and we got out of there in a hurry. I wonder how well a Taser and a kick to the nuts would have worked in that situation? The next time was in our home when a man tried to enter, he told the police someone was chasing him with a gun. LOL! Yeah me. LOL!

A word to the wise, don't shoot someone over property. In California I think the rule is that a mans house is his castle and therefore if you break in he can shoot to kill. Other states don't have that law and you have to verify the hostile intent of the intruder. If he says he was own robbing the place and you shoot him you may be charged with attempted murder or murder if you kill him. A word to the wise, if that happens to you make sure he has a knife in his/her hand by the time the police show up.

Wildkow

p.s. gnads? Is that the Aussie vernacular?

p.s. pssst... nrsheikh, is that you Squid?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Display Name @ Feb 23 2007, 07:32 PM) [snapback]395621[/snapback]</div>

Would you have let someone bang around in your home with your wife and child inside? Never ever point a gun at someone unless you intend to shoot to kill. In addition, never ever shoot to wound, also a gun shot to the thigh can often be a death wound. Especially when you come to my home now that I also have a 12 gauge shotgun to back up my trusty Glock 19. No I would not have racked a shell to scare him off no one breaking into my house ever gets a warning.

Wildkow

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Wildkow @ Feb 23 2007, 08:46 PM) [snapback]395654[/snapback]</div>

The only way to deal with intruders; never shoot to wound.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Wildkow @ Feb 23 2007, 11:28 PM) [snapback]395645[/snapback]</div>

:lol: :lol:

Nice one..,

1. I can not stress enough DO NO SHOOT TO INJURE if you do this the bad guy will own you for the rest of your life!

2. SHOOT TO STOP /KILL THE INTRUDER... If you shoot some one and they live, they can sue you, they can make you pay their medical bills, Or now that you shot him he will have to claim disability and your gonna foot the bill for Mr. Bad Guy and his family

How'd that go? "DEAD MEN TELL NO TALES" B)

We had a guy we called Tackleberry (from police acadamey the movie) he use to zap hiself in the nads with the store bought tazers :lol: :lol: :lol: However he stopped doing that when they came out with the issued ones.. As they would lay him out flat... B)

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(nrsheikh @ Feb 23 2007, 06:04 PM) [snapback]395591[/snapback]</div>

While I certainly understand why they wanted you to put your gun down, for the life of me I cannot fathom why they had to handcuff you. First, you were in your pajamas, just how many burglars are out there plying their trade in their Pj's? Secondly, if the burglar was in control of the gun, he would not have stuck around for the police to show up.

I read hundreds of police reports a year. In several decades in trenches of the criminal justice system, I have never once read a report where the police handcuffed the homeowner who caught a burglar in the act and held him for the police.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(nrsheikh @ Feb 24 2007, 09:52 AM) [snapback]395861[/snapback]</div>

If he had turned and run I would strongly suggest that you do not shoot. I worked a case in Fresno with a rather prominent lawyer where a store owner/worker was brought up on murder charges. Two or three guys came into the store with guns and held up the place. The guy pulled his own gun and the robbers ran. As one of the robbers got to the door the store owner pulled the trigger, this all took place in the span of a few seconds. He hit him in the head and the robber dropped like a sack of potatoes, switch off, lights out. There was no flopping around, no nothing just a straight drop to the floor and dead still. I had to construct a chronology of events, I timed it I dissected and I did a step by step narrative in the end I had to watch that video a hundred times until I was sick of it the store owner was charged with manslaughter cause the DA decided that the store owner could not have feared for his own safety because the robber was retreating. Who knows he could have been retreating to a better location to shoot back at the store owner but I don’t know. I never stuck around long enough to hear the verdict. Sad really, there was a split second there when the signal from the brain to the finger said squeeze and the robber turning to go out the door and bingo you’re the one in the slammer. I think you actions were correct and I don’t think anyone could fault you. Keep screaming at the jerk to comply if he does fine, if he turns to run let him go (make sure you are in a safe position) and if he doesn’t do exactly what you say don’t engage in debate or let him continue moving around or stalling, shoot to kill and then stick an old knife in his hands if he isn’t armed. Don’t forget if he leaves to check the rest of the house there maybe others of his ilk hiding.

Wildkow

 

Before the Castle Law was inacted in Fla, The Bad Guy would have to be armed before you could shoot them.. (ie the joke of after you shoot him put a knife in his/her hand).

I have pulled up to scenes where the Bad Guy & the home owner are both in handcuffs, its typical thing to do untill the story is straightend out.. I have read reoprts where the bad guy was wearing PJs & the home owner had iterupted the theft and the Bad Guy put the PJs on to throw off the police....

I responded to a vehicle burglary in progress . The home owner had a pager alarm sys on his pick up that woke him up. He grabbed his gun went out the back door and snuck up on the Bad Guy as he was removing the CB radio & stereo system from the truck. The home owner stuck the muzzle of his cocked semi-auto shotgun into the cleft of the Bad Guys neck and told him if he moved he would be dead....

The poor Bad Guy shat himself while waiting for us to arrive & was still in the squating position he was in with radio in hand poor guy started crying when we disarmed the homeowner. B)
The homeowner got a pat on the back and didn't lose his vehicle parts, & Bad Guy got a free ride......

PS. NEVER SHOOT SOMEONE IN THE BACK! it shows the Bad Guy was running away/ retreating You could end up going to jail & you know what that means? (It means you'd better buy a few cases of cigarettes & Vasaline cause your gonna need it)!.. :lol:

 

Good to hear everything worked out. There are hundreds of cases each year where armed people scare away or capture criminals, so its not that unusual.

My understanding of California's laws are that you are not given a pass in killing someone because he stole something. You are investigated in any situation where someone dies, and if the feeling is that you were in fear of your life ... for instance, if they guy had thrown tools at you and then charged you ... you would be considered as acting in self defense. But if the guy is running away from you, you should not shoot him; he is no longer a threat.

And the reason they say to aim for "center mass" ... i.e, the torso ... is that only an expert marksman can hit a hand and knock the gun out of it, or shoot someone in the leg. Aim for the biggest target you can. And, likewise, don't ever get into a car if someone is holding a gun on you ... run zig zagging and you have a much better chance of getting away.

There's even that video of several Florida cops (or DEA agents, I forget which) shooting back at several perps ... all about 20 feet apart ... and after all had emptied their clips not a single shot had hit anyone. These guys are literally across a car hood from each other, and they empty their clips at each other, and no one hits anyone.

 

B) B) Maryland? Wow! Do you attribute your experience to the area you live in? Never had that kinda thing go down in either of our areas ... MT or CA. It would have gone differently if it would have been here in south O.C. CA. Let's leave it at that.