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Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by Mirza, Feb 25, 2007.

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  1. Mirza

    Mirza New Member

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    If the admins have problems w/ this... please let me know, or I guess just delete it or something. It's serious yet at the same time not so serious.

    So we're studying the pelvic region... turns out the clitoris and it's associated muscles are vestigial to the muscles of the penis... IE every woman you've copulated with has male organs (vice-versa)... vestigial essentially meaning anatomic structures that no longer serve an evolutionary purpose - and are just kinda there... except in females it's not quite SO vestigial... the penile muscles are the same as the clitoral muscles... 1 bulbiospongiosus around the bulb of the penis/vagina-clitoris (they even have the same name)... and 2 ischiocavernosus muscles - you guessed - beside the clitoris and penis.

    This is hardly wierd... it's not all too common - but it happens - where you get a continuum in between the penis and clitoris.

    To the fundies: g* s*** it.
     
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  2. dragonfly

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    Well, sure. As early fetuses we are neither male nor female other than by our genetic encoding. The expression of our genetic code comes through hormones, and an imbalance in the androgen surroundings can result in a male fetus taking on the characteristics of a female, and vice versa.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dragonfly @ Feb 25 2007, 10:46 PM) [snapback]396513[/snapback]</div>

    Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. It's God working smart. instead of inventing two different things he's used the same thing and it becomes one or the other, depending on the hormones released during pregnancy. The way I like to think of it is....everyone starts out as a woman. Some of us stay the course. The others become flip-floppers due to a burst of hormones.
     
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    developmental biology is some crazy stuff isn't it?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Godiva @ Feb 26 2007, 12:02 AM) [snapback]396519[/snapback]</div>
    Could it be we all start out as neither, and become one or the other depending on hormones? I can understand your thought process, though. Judging by behaviour, it seems perfectly reasonable to assume men got too much of something. :blink:
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hyo silver @ Feb 25 2007, 11:41 PM) [snapback]396534[/snapback]</div>
    And not enough of another. And hence the fascination with certain female body parts.
     
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    It was touch and go there for a moment, but yup, still heterosexual. Thanks for asking. :wub:
     
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    galaxee mostly benevolent

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    the genes on the "sex determining region" of the y chromosome are responsible for steering the course of development in males away from the 'female' path to give them male characteristics. in the absence of this, the automatic pathway is to make a female. so you could say that the default process is to make a female.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mirza @ Feb 26 2007, 04:22 AM) [snapback]396506[/snapback]</div>
    What does all of this have to do with heterosexuality?
     
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    With the mention of God in this thread, how do creationists explain the tail and gill pouches that human embryos sport at around four weeks after fertilization?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mirza @ Feb 25 2007, 07:22 PM) [snapback]396506[/snapback]</div>
    Vestigial organs as proof of evoulotion is more and more being recognized as a vestigial theory of evolution as science advances year by year.

    Classy Mizra very classy. Must have been using the "Other Brain" when you decided to include this. Hey mods how about it, does this comply with board rules? Great example of maturity required to read this post guess you need none to post it. [attachmentid=6698]

    Wildkow

    http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/embryology_02.htm

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SSimon @ Feb 25 2007, 09:34 PM) [snapback]396556[/snapback]</div>
    Please provide an example.

    Wildkow

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(galaxee @ Feb 25 2007, 09:22 PM) [snapback]396548[/snapback]</div>
    Which sex contains all the necessary ingredients to propagate the species and why?

    Wildkow
     

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Wildkow @ Feb, 09:37 PM) [snapback]396557[/snapback]</div>
    Parthenogenesis is theoretically possible in humans, not that it will ever happen. And of course only women can carry a fetus. So I'm going with the female sex on this one.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Wildkow @ Feb 26 2007, 01:37 AM) [snapback]396557[/snapback]</div>
    I read it in a scientific publication years ago. I google it just now and see that it's been a main topic of discussion for evolutionary debate. I'll, tomorrow, just tune into the religious threads to see what y'all think. This thread just brought that tidbit of information to mind.

    http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0009-3920...&size=LARGE
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lowlander @ Feb 26 2007, 12:34 AM) [snapback]396555[/snapback]</div>

    The definitions of male vs female aren't all that clearcut... and given fundies' propensity for black and white thinking... well I intended to stick a giant nail in their "thought process." If the boundaries aren't so clear... are you really in bed with a clearcut female (or vice versa)? :blink: ... of course, such a continuum won't matter to most of us except for Wildkow and the lot. I sure do hope wildkow has something to think about next time... I'll just leave it at that.


    You know what is bunk wildkow? Your bible and all the versions of it... as well as every frak that, in a literal sense, believes in that junk. If you want to find out real information about evolution, find it yourself... otherwise your posturing indicates to me that you're far more serious about raising contention than finding out more about science and evolution.

    In case you didn't notice... sexual maturity in the context that you are capable of discussing sexual topics. Moot point.

    Good riddance.
     
    #14 Mirza, Feb 26, 2007
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mirza @ Feb 26 2007, 10:30 AM) [snapback]396664[/snapback]</div>

    Hmmm, I couldnt see anything wron with Wildkows posting.... :huh: B)
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mirza @ Feb 26 2007, 07:30 AM) [snapback]396664[/snapback]</div>
    The above from a man(?) that ends his topic post with To the fundies: g* s*** it. allegedly someone who considers his/her/itself tolerant and open minded. Your demonstration of maturity has reached an all time high, for a preadolescent. ;) A moot point indeed when the original poster demonstrates a complete lack of the desired trait. Must have been weeded out in your evolutionary branch.

    Wildkow
     
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  17. Mirza

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    Do you honestly think that I care about what you perceive?
     
    #17 Mirza, Feb 26, 2007
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    Chill.
     
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    And I'm still hetero.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SSimon @ Feb 26 2007, 01:34 AM) [snapback]396556[/snapback]</div>
    This observation is what led early developmental biologists to beleive that development recapitulates ontogeny. That is, a developing embryo shows past evolutionary forms like fish, reptile, etc.

    However, in reality they are not gill slits or tails. What vertebrate embryos share are developmental organizing centers that control body shape. The "gill slits" are really branchial arches that control development of the head, including the brain.

    Developmental organizing centers are another validation of evolution in that all chordates have very similar organizing centers consistent with the concept of a common ancestor.

    Also the bible explains how....nah..actually the bible does not explain anything because it is completely made up.

    Cheers!
     
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