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Is it Just Me? Part I: Good Gas/Bad Gas (longish)

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by mshappe, Sep 13, 2004.

  1. mshappe

    mshappe New Member

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    It's been a little while since I've posted. One of the reasons I got a Prius was because I do a lot of traveling, and that's reduced the amount of time that I have for sharing my obsession with this community :)

    But two things came up from one of my recent road trips, and I wanted to get some feedback from y'all. They're sufficiently different in scope that I'm posting them separately.

    So, question the first: at the risk of sounding like a corporate shill, has anyone else noticed that Mobil Unleaded Regular produces especially good results?

    The data so far: the very first fill-up for my car was Mobil -- it was right next to the dealer, so the dealer had an arrangement with them, and filled it up on their nickel. No arguments from me -- I've never minded Mobil anyway. Anyway, that very first tank, with a 200 mile country-highway drive as the inaugural voyage (home from the dealership) netted me a 53mpg average.

    Since then, I've filled up at different stations every time: one each at BP, Holiday, Shell, SuperAmerica, and Conoco. My average for most of those tanks was more like 43, but I assumed this to be just the result of my daily driving patterns and nothing else too bizarre. I had one tank significantly lower (37), but that was also with a heavier load, and faster speeds (a road trip with four passengers, luggage, and armour for mediaeval re-creation combat). We sent the armour home with someone else, and the average went back up to 43.

    Then, on the very last leg of that same trip, I had an opportunity to put another Mobil fill-up into the car. After which, the average MPG shot up to 49mpg for the rest of the trip!

    Now, this could be coincidence. The last leg of the trip does involve a long down-hill stretch, for example. But I came through the exact same stretch two weeks ago coming back from a different trip, and didn't see so dramatic an improvement. On the other hand, that time, that stretch happened on the tail-end of a tank, so the improvement may have been lost in the relatively low average for the rest of it. This tank is still relatively fresh, but holding steady so far at 49.

    So: has anyone else noticed that Mobil definitely qualifies as 'good' gas? Has anyone noticed any other brand that seems to qualify as consistently 'good'?
     
  2. bruceha_2000

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    I don't buy Mobil (at least locally) because they are always more expensive than every station around. Current local stations - Gulf $1.879, Exxon $1.899, Shell 1.929, Mobil $1.959. They would have to prove to me that I will recover at least the difference in better mileage. That said, I seem to be pretty consistant with whatever I put in my '95 Odyssey. Maybe when my Prius comes in the big jump in avg mpg will make differences in gas formulations more apparent.
     
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    That was the other funny thing about this particular fill-up. For whatever reason (maybe just because it was middle-of-nowhere Minnesota), the Mobil fill-up was $1.699, the lowest price I've paid in months!
     
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    I fuel almost exclusively at a Conoco station that is along my commute route. I am able to keep my mileage up to the low to mid 50's according to the computer. I haven't noticed any significant changes in the cars mileage on road trips either, where I'm filling up at whomever is selling gas when I need it. I would hazard a guess to say that your variances are more along the lines of environmental, as well as changes in driving styles.
     
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    In my area we have a choice that includes one set of Sinclair Oil franchises that provide a 10% ethanol mix. This is a better gas from an emmissions standpoint but contain less energy per gallon, so should constitute a mileage hit. That said overall averaging 50+ mpg since we got the car in March.
     
  6. DaveinOlyWA

    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

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    in Western WA as is most likely in your area, unleaded regular is identical in every way at ALL dealers for ALL makes and brands.

    there is a single pipeline that feeds most areas so all fuels including gas, diesel, fuel oil, etc travel the pipe.

    it arrives at the distribution station where each brand receives it allocated amount. now does each company receive the same gas it put into the pipeline?? of course not...

    the way it works is Mobil puts 10,000 gallons into the pipeline in Texas or wherever. then the distribution station in your area takes out 10,000 gallons and puts it in Mobils holding tank.

    if its gas then it is all unleaded regular. now different areas have different requirements for gas so additives are added at this point to create different formulas. as each brand has different ways of creating premium, the premium brands are different... but not by much.

    but there is less than 10% of the country that is served by more than one refinery. although i dont know what those areas are, my best guess is that if you live more than a few hundred miles from the gulf or lousiana and other major refining areas, you can be pretty much guaranteed that its just one. there are no refineries in your area. in fact, there are hardly any in the interior or northern states. we have one near portland, but that is because of alaska oil. i believe that refinery is the farthest north.

    realize that the consolidation of the oil companies in the late 80's is the biggest single reason for the increase in gas prices... the increase in oil had little to do with it.

    in the mid 70's there were over 300 refineries in the US and 50 oil companies... today there are less than a dozen oil companies left and only 15 (i think, this is 2001 numbers) refineries left. the increase in gas is the result of refineries being booked solid creating a shortage that results in higher prices. after all, it doesnt take much to realize that up until recently, the cost of crude is only 25 % higher than 1990 but the cost of gasoline is 70% higher.

    fact is, when all the oil companies merged with each other, they eliminated their competition so the drive to provide a better product at a cheaper price vanished as the consumers choice was reduced to only a few in most places. that is why all the gas is the same.

    for an eye opening article read

    "Fueling Profits: Industry Consolidation, Excess Profits & Federal Neglect Domestic Causes of Recent Gasoline and Natural Gas Price Shocks" by Dr. Mark N. Cooper

    it is a rather lengthy pdf that can be found by googling the above title