Double impeachment gains momentum

dbermanmd · Mar 7, 2007

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The admin outed a CIA operative working on Iran's WMD. I'm surprised that doesn't annoy you, you who are so concerned about Iran's nukes.

And your claim of 500 tons of yellowcake is up to your usual levels of accuracy.

Well, maybe we found yellowcake at Al-Tuwaitha BECAUSE WE MOVED IT THERE. Too bad we then didn't guard it. Sheesh.

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Who outed her? who sent her boyfriend to niger? And was her identity already known? Blaming the victim - we placed the yellowcake there - heck you probably think we destroyed the WTC's too. and you ignored my other points - of course. like what was libby convicted of and what were fitpatricks charges.

btw - how much did he spend on this witchhunt? i honestly dont know and find it curious that the driveby media does NOT bring that fact up seeing how they ALWAYS brought up the cost of the whitewater investigation and ken star's related costs. he got a guy for perjury - he didn't clinton perjure himself and all he got was impeached and disbarred - his butt should have been thrown in jail too by your logic. how about adultary - what should have been his punishment for that - too bad we didnt have sharia law then :lol:

btw - how do you feel about govt officials DESTROYING top secret material - you think they should get jail time? i mean u have sandy berger going back numerous times and INTENTIONALLY destroying top secret material - you think thats ok? i would have put his a** in jail in a heartbeat - wonder why he is walking free. and talk about lying - hillary did not lie about the rose law firm records and whitewater - her butt belongs in jail too.

efusco · Mar 7, 2007

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my motives are true and honest. i would love to see the dems actually try to do something instead of flapppping their lips - as far as i am concerned they control both Houses - its all their responsibility at this point - either way - if they act or not - its all them. right now they are just a bunch of wussies.
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I realize you don't care about the facts here, but we're/they're not lacking in the "balls" area, and we're/they're not wussies. We're just bright enough to know that an immediate withdrawl would result in even greater catastrophic failure in Iraq than Bush has created. The other vote, as you're fully aware, was to make a point..."we're not happy with the direction, do something different before we take more control of the situation".

If the dems did vote to stop funding cold Turkey when things got worse thent he repubs would say "see, we were doing better than you"....I know that's ultimately what you want...a way to transfer responsibility for the failure in Iraq from your own party to ours.

F8L · Mar 7, 2007

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I realize you don't care about the facts here, but we're/they're not lacking in the "balls" area, and ...a way to transfer responsibility for the failure in Iraq from your own party to ours.[/b]
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That is the American way... It is what we are taught to do, non-accountability, domination, overinflated self-importance and greed.

burritos · Mar 7, 2007

Should we render punishment to the states that voted for the 2 impeachees a second time?

hyo silver · Mar 7, 2007

It might seem a moot point whether Bush and Cheney are sent packing or allowed to leave quietly, but I hunch it would make a big difference to how the rest of the world views the USA.

dbermanmd · Mar 8, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Mar 7 2007, 05:01 PM) [snapback]401885[/snapback]</div>

I realize you don't care about the facts here, but we're/they're not lacking in the "balls" area, and we're/they're not wussies. We're just bright enough to know that an immediate withdrawl would result in even greater catastrophic failure in Iraq than Bush has created. The other vote, as you're fully aware, was to make a point..."we're not happy with the direction, do something different before we take more control of the situation".

If the dems did vote to stop funding cold Turkey when things got worse thent he repubs would say "see, we were doing better than you"....I know that's ultimately what you want...a way to transfer responsibility for the failure in Iraq from your own party to ours.
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dont have a party bro. i just want the dems to do something instead of flapping their lips. all that hot air has to be bad for gw

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Should we render punishment to the states that voted for the 2 impeachees a second time?
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no need - who gives a darn. their greatest punishment would be another two years of bush/cheney in office which is the reality and then another 4-8 years of a republican administration - say perhaps Rudy or Romney :lol:

country will not trust barak hussein obama or hillary in the oval office making decisions on protecting our children - perhaps i am wrong about hillary - if she wins bill will be confined to the white house making 18 year old interns over the vast plains of this country less like to be taken advantage of mr bill :blink:

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That is the American way... It is what we are taught to do, non-accountability, domination, overinflated self-importance and greed.
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i guess all those dems who voted for the war are now off the hook too? and how about all those dems that called for action after 9/11?

that non-accountability you refer to - are you referencing the dems? i mean now that they control both houses they are in control. this ball is in their court now. still waiting for them to do something.... anything.....

if you hate this country so much why dont you move north - less greed, less self importance , no domination.... sounds like a perfect fit for you. i personally like being #1 - wish the Knicks were too :lol:

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I realize you don't care about the facts here, but we're/they're not lacking in the "balls" area, and we're/they're not wussies. We're just bright enough to know that an immediate withdrawl would result in even greater catastrophic failure in Iraq than Bush has created. The other vote, as you're fully aware, was to make a point..."we're not happy with the direction, do something different before we take more control of the situation".

If the dems did vote to stop funding cold Turkey when things got worse thent he repubs would say "see, we were doing better than you"....I know that's ultimately what you want...a way to transfer responsibility for the failure in Iraq from your own party to ours.
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yes they are wussies.

and iraq is not a failure yet - in spite of the dems best efforts to turn it into one. dems love when america fails - ie - vietnam - how does it feel to support a party whose highlights are our countries lowlights? tell me - how does it make you feel?

desynch · Mar 8, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Mar 7 2007, 06:01 PM) [snapback]401885[/snapback]</div>

I know that's ultimately what you want...a way to transfer responsibility for the failure in Iraq from your own party to ours.
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I thought exactly that when Bush proposed to a Democrat controlled Congress about a "Surge of 20K more troops"!

The Dems say "NO!"..

Then the Republican can blame the Democrats if it ends up being a complete failure.

The Dems say "YES!"..

Then, if the surge worked (unlikely), Bush could take the credit, pretty much saying "Told ya so!"..

or

The Dems say "YES!"..

The surge doesn't work.. 1 year later, Bush is gone and a Democrat now has this mess on his hands. 20K more dead, the buttwipe that started the war is out of Office..

_THAT_ is Bush's exit strategy.

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i guess all those dems who voted for the war are now off the hook too? and how about all those dems that called for action after 9/11?
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Yeah, see.. the thing is - BUSH LIED TO THEM. HE LIED TO US ALL.

Bush can claim he had "Faulty Intelligence" ..

That's his excuse..

The Dems that were onboard, well, they can blame BUSH. Thats how it works. He was wrong.

â€œIt is true that much of the intelligence turned out to be wrong. As president I am responsible for the decision to go into Iraq...â€ --Bush

I'm no Democrat, but I know where the freaking blame lies here.. don't try to point the finger at the people that were LIED to.

hycamguy07 · Mar 8, 2007

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Even an attempted impeachment would show the world that US citizens aren't as stupid as they appear. I'm willing to bet more than half of the country's republicans would support such a move. To do nothing is to empower corporate criminals further. ENRON. After what the repubs did to Clinton, they would not have a chance of realistically rallying behind junior. History must show we protested this administration as a nation. Even those who are listed below should be included, not to get rid of them, (since they are already gone) but to slap them down further.

The Legal Basis For Impeachment
http://www.impeachbush.org/site/News2?JSer...ws_iv_ctrl=1061
Articles of Impeachment

of

President George W. Bush

and

Vice President Richard B. Cheney,
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice,
Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, and
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. - - ARTICLE II, SECTION 4 OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

President George W. Bush, Vice President Richard B. Cheney, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales have committed violations and subversions of the Constitution of the United States of America in an attempt to carry out with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes and deprivations of the civil rights of the people of the United States and other nations, by assuming powers of an imperial executive unaccountable to law and usurping powers of the Congress, the Judiciary and those reserved to the people of the United States, by the following acts:

1) Seizing power to wage wars of aggression in defiance of the U.S. Constitution, the U.N. Charter and the rule of law; carrying out a massive assault on and occupation of Iraq, a country that was not threatening the United States, resulting in the death and maiming of over one hundred thousand Iraqis, and thousands of U.S. G.I.s.

2) Lying to the people of the U.S., to Congress, and to the U.N., providing false and deceptive rationales for war.

3) Authorizing, ordering and condoning direct attacks on civilians, civilian facilities and locations where civilian casualties were unavoidable.

4) Instituting a secret and illegal wiretapping and spying operation against the people of the United States through the National Security Agency.

5) Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently changing its government by force and assaulting Iraq in a war of aggression.

6) Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings, secret and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of prisoners to obtain false statements concerning acts and intentions of governments and individuals and violating within the United States, and by authorizing U.S. forces and agents elsewhere, the rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

7) Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda about the conduct of foreign governments and individuals and acts by U.S. government personnel; manipulating the media and foreign governments with false information; concealing information vital to public discussion and informed judgment concerning acts, intentions and possession, or efforts to obtain weapons of mass destruction in order to falsely create a climate of fear and destroy opposition to U.S. wars of aggression and first strike attacks.

8) Violations and subversions of the Charter of the United Nations and international law, both a part of the "Supreme Law of the land" under Article VI, paragraph 2, of the Constitution, in an attempt to commit with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes in wars and threats of aggression against Afghanistan, Iraq and others and usurping powers of the United Nations and the peoples of its nations by bribery, coercion and other corrupt acts and by rejecting treaties, committing treaty violations, and frustrating compliance with treaties in order to destroy any means by which international law and institutions can prevent, affect, or adjudicate the exercise of U.S. military and economic power against the international community.

9) Acting to strip United States citizens of their constitutional and human rights, ordering indefinite detention of citizens, without access to counsel, without charge, and without opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, based solely on the discretionary designation by the Executive of a citizen as an "enemy combatant."

10) Ordering indefinite detention of non-citizens in the United States and elsewhere, and without charge, at the discretionary designation of the Attorney General or the Secretary of Defense.

11) Ordering and authorizing the Attorney General to override judicial orders of release of detainees under INS jurisdiction, even where the judicial officer after full hearing determines a detainee is wrongfully held by the government.

12) Authorizing secret military tribunals and summary execution of persons who are not citizens who are designated solely at the discretion of the Executive who acts as indicting official, prosecutor and as the only avenue of appellate relief.

13) Refusing to provide public disclosure of the identities and locations of persons who have been arrested, detained and imprisoned by the U.S. government in the United States, including in response to Congressional inquiry.

14) Use of secret arrests of persons within the United States and elsewhere and denial of the right to public trials.

15) Authorizing the monitoring of confidential attorney-client privileged communications by the government, even in the absence of a court order and even where an incarcerated person has not been charged with a crime.

16) Ordering and authorizing the seizure of assets of persons in the United States, prior to hearing or trial, for lawful or innocent association with any entity that at the discretionary designation of the Executive has been deemed "terrorist."

17) Engaging in criminal neglect in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, depriving thousands of people in Louisiana, Mississippi and other Gulf States of urgently needed support, causing mass suffering and unnecessary loss of life.

18) Institutionalization of racial and religious profiling and authorization of domestic spying by federal law enforcement on persons based on their engagement in noncriminal religious and political activity.

19) Refusal to provide information and records necessary and appropriate for the constitutional right of legislative oversight of executive functions.

20) Rejecting treaties protective of peace and human rights and abrogation of the obligations of the United States under, and withdrawal from, international treaties and obligations without consent of the legislative branch, and including termination of the ABM treaty between the United States and Russia, and rescission of the authorizing signature from the Treaty of Rome which served as the basis for the International Criminal Court.
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Man talk about someone having too much time ontheir hands!!!! Doc we need more medication over here!! :lol:

Just think If you all put as much time and effort into GW or Alternative fuels, instead of producing HOT AIR by B*tching & complaining.. We might be cruising around in our vegitable oil, water, sewage or solar powered prius's.. B)

Im voting for Rudy in 08!

livelychick · Mar 8, 2007

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Man talk about someone having too much time ontheir hands!!!! Doc we need more medication over here!! :lol:

Just think If you all put as much time and effort into GW or Alternative fuels, instead of producing HOT AIR by B*tching & complaining.. We might be cruising around in our vegitable oil, water, sewage or solar powered prius's.. B)

Im voting for Rudy in 08!
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I can't believe YOU'RE going to vote for an "abortionist" for president... (your word, not mine...)

Congratulations. Welcome to the center!

hycamguy07 · Mar 8, 2007

Hmmm I do not ritely know how to take that reply....

But again people dont really know one another here on PC, do we?
I have Christian values, I also believe in abortion in certain cases...

daronspicher · Mar 8, 2007

This liberal sewer of misplaced ideologies preaches so much for tolerance. Tolerate this, tolerate that, can't we all get along.

In this thread, it's just a pack of rabid wild dogs wishing a feeding on the President of the United States.

Ya'll look like a bunch of idiots.

livelychick · Mar 8, 2007

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Hmmm I do not ritely know how to take that reply....

But again people dont really know one another here on PC, do we?
I have Christian values, I also believe in abortion in certain cases...
Am I a bible thumper? no..
Do I believe in God? yes

Out of the Dems running I feel he's the lesser of the other evils...
Becides he did a great job in NY.
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Like I said, welcome to the center. I don't mean that in any sarcastic way; I'm being dead honest. My mind is far from made up about the election. It's entirely possible that I could vote for him, too. (My man, Warner, decided against running...)

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This liberal sewer of misplaced ideologies preaches so much for tolerance. Tolerate this, tolerate that, can't we all get along.

In this thread, it's just a pack of rabid wild dogs wishing a feeding on the President of the United States.

Ya'll look like a bunch of idiots.
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Coming from you, that's a compliment.

Thank you!

(Like you didn't support the billions Ken Starr--a rabid dog himself--wasted on the Clinton feeding frenzy. Puh-leeze. All spent so we could find out the intimate details of cigars and oral sex. What goes around comes around.)

KD6HDX · Mar 8, 2007

Hello to all : It's been awhile since I posted. I just wanted to say my 05 prius is running fine, averaging about 48 MPG at 50,000 miles, and that I am looking forward to the day that Toyota makes a clean burning diesel hybrid FJ cruiser...Whoo-Hoo!!!

I'd also like to say that I was happy to see Spoodger Libby get convicted by a jury of his peers. I hope shrub and company sleep well at night with all of the American blood on their corporate portfolios.

I really enjoy reading all of the conservative blogs on the web that criticize shrub and company. More proof that even the kool-aid wasn't strong enough to actually fool all of the people all of the time. But, sadly, for Physicians nice person-istants like D-Bag berman, he will continue to carry water for the neocons and maintain his commitment to ignorance. This is because he knows there are no laws against acting stupid.

I also love to remind people that Clinton was impeached, and then acquited by the senate. Bada Bing!!!

Let me say thanks to the owners and operators of priuschat. Thank you. I check it often for TSB's and general knowledge about the prius.

Gotta go, I'll check back later this afternoon for all of the hate speak that is sure to be posted. Don't hold your breath, I probably wont respond.

Man Coulter can osculate my hairy brown hispanic gluteals.

Dave
KD6HDX
05 Prius package 6

BOO-Yahhh

eagle33199 · Mar 8, 2007

No hate speech, just plain old blocking.

daronspicher · Mar 8, 2007

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Coming from you, that's a compliment.

Thank you!

(Like you didn't support the billions Ken Starr--a rabid dog himself--wasted on the Clinton feeding frenzy. Puh-leeze. All spent so we could find out the intimate details of cigars and oral sex. What goes around comes around.)
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Is this a representative opinnion? Ya'll are just out here looking to even the score as if this were a hockey game. Our guy lied to the fed and got impeached, so we can make that ok by impeaching one from the other side?

Or is LivelyChick out on his/her own and ya'll want to impeach because of a crime that was committed?

FYI, making foreign policy that disagrees with you personally is not an impeachable offense in the real world. That only works here on Prius Chat.

dragonfly · Mar 8, 2007

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Man Coulter can osculate my hairy brown hispanic gluteals.
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Is that a good thing or a bad thing? :blink:

Wiyosaya · Mar 8, 2007

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Yea, that's just the distraction our country needs...
I don't think there's any mystery about where I stand on Bush and his presidency, but an impeachment would be a gargantuan waste of time and money....even if successful it's unlikely it would be accomplished during the time Bush will be in office.

And, trust me, Bush doesn't need any distractions...even using all his brain power and energy and attention he's still doing a crappy job!
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Bush and brainpower is an oxymoron. :lol:

It sounds like you and I have similar opinions. Were the Bush debacle limited to the Iraq war, my opinion might be different. However, the way things are going, it seems like we are approaching a point where abuses far beyond those of Iraq debacle are surfacing. It makes me wonder just how much will surface given enough time. The last time the a Bush was in office, a Quayle gutted environmental laws just because he could.

In this instance, my opinion is that the Bush admin has apparently grossly abused power, and this is just the sort of thing that the framers of the constitution were intending impeachment to be for. Certainly, if Bush were impeached, it would be a far, far, far more worthy proceeding than Clinton's impeachment was. I'm not saying that I condone Clinton's lies, and believe that he should have been truthful or plead the 5th if he was legally able to do so. But Bush's abuses, IMHO, have been far more egregious and are very well deserving of impeachment.

Perhaps if enough states have the guts to join in, Congress will get the message and do the right thing rather than doing things just because they can. If you believe Clinton on his impeachment, congress did it just because they could. That is what I would term a vast waste of time.

MarinJohn · Mar 8, 2007

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i guess all those dems who voted for the war are now off the hook too?

that non-accountability you refer to - are you referencing the dems? i mean now that they control both houses they are in control.
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Dear poor poor doberman...Follow me here if you can:

I approach you and tell you the 'nasty team' will come bomb and kill your personal family. I have 'proof' and you'd better act right this minute and never mind my 'proof'. You are so concerned about your family you sign on to my 'protection' plan. Now that you have signed on it is proven that I lied about my 'proof'. Are you are no less a fool for signing on due to my lies? I think not. I think you'd become outraged at your ill placed trustworthiness, and want to retract your faith in me and my 'protection' plan. I'd say "too late" I suckered you in and you are stuck and offer up our signed contract as legal binding proof of your continuing obligation. I'd treat you as a sucker for signing up in the first place. Would you back me no matter what? Again, I think not.

Oh, and furthermore, no party 'controls' both houses. There is a very slight majority only if you count a traitor on the majority side.

You are no less transparent than Coulter, Cheney, Rove, your friends at faux 'entertainment-news' network, or a whole slew of others who wear your uniform. You are as personally responsible for the quick demise of this country as your beloved leaders because unlike many of your party, you still can't see beyond your ill placed goodwill. Luckily your type are increasingly seen as dinosaurs even by your own compatriots. By being unwilling to change with the times and events you are condemning your party to a couple of generations of darkness. This will open our way of governance up to huge problems (since power corrupts ALL parties) and it will be especially YOUR fault for being a blind follower when times were tough and distasteful decisions had to be made and you were 'absent'.

Doberman · Mar 8, 2007

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If you've got food, I'll follow you!

MegansPrius · Mar 8, 2007

Heel! Heel! Heel I said! Bad dog!

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