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  1. desynch

    desynch Die-Hard Conservative

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    Global Warming.. than with the War on Terror?

    Why do they insist that humans are the cause of this natural phenonemon.. yet women and children, daughters and sons, are being blown up everyday in the name of Muslim Terrorism... and the liberals shun Bush for taking a stand against it.

    Why is it that everytime someone discusses the reasons we are at war, a liberal jumps in and says "But the Christians did ______ in the 14th century!" .. or "Look at the KKK, they're evil Christians!" ..

    We are at war with Muslim Fundamentalists. We are losing soldiers everyday and liberals seem to spit on their efforts with their negativity and disapproval.

    I'm not sure how much clearer one can make it.. We are AT WAR WITH MUSLIM FUNDAMENTALISTS. MUSLIM FUNDIES WANT TO KILL US. They want us to be under Sharia law, just like them.

    How does one have the cohones to make excuses for the Muslim Fundies actions? Why do liberals insist on trash-talking our soldiers and what they are doing.

    Liberals will throw it in the faces of those who support the War on Terrorism.. saying that WE created more violence and that WE are at fault.. I guess they don't realize that Saddam had killed over 2 million people.. The liberal media didn't report how terrible it was under the rule of Saddam, but now they're all over the place reporting how bad it is NOW.. they didn't do that THEN, when Saddam would kill hundreds of thousands on a whim.

    I'm just tired of liberals (mostly liberals, that is) making excuses for the Muslim Terrorists.. justifying or excusing their terrible actions by bringing up the Crusades, or the KKK, or any wing-nut Christian hate group. We're at freaking war... WAR people... We're losing men and women everyday over there.. so we don't lose them over HERE.

    Liberals are all for human rights, but they seem to ignore the fact that women are stoned, punished for being raped.. put on collars like dogs.. The atrocities are unfathomable.. and they hate us because we are not like THAT.

    I for one, appreciate my Religious Freedom.. Equality for men and women.. the Constitution, and all that America stands for.

    Keep catering to the Muslim Fundamentalists.. and they will bring MORE of their hate and violence to our country.
     
  2. efusco

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    Clear answers and explainations of the "liberal's" stand on both of these issues have been given and repeated. We care deeply about both issues but disagree with the current approach being taken with both by the conservatives. It doesn't mean that we don't care just b/c we don't wish to deal with the problems in the same manner you do.

    Both problems threaten the future of the entire planet. Both are important. But attacking a soverign nation that had no terror threats to us does not and will never solve the problem of terrorism.

    Burying our heads in the sand won't make the issues of the environment go away...sure, you and I will likely be dead before there are any consequences, but that doesn't remove the moral obligation for us to deal with it today for the sake of our future generations.
     
  3. desynch

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    I see what you're saying efusco. Good answer... except for your belief that we shouldn't have gone after Iraq... take a look at where it is on the map. Tell me it wouldn't be great to have a stable Democracy there.. a strategic "strong hold", if you will.

    What manner would you suggest in dealing with a large population of Muslim Fundamentalists that dance in the streets when they destroy our trade center.. What manner would you suggest in dealing with a few Middle Eastern countries that are actively seeking WMD, nuclear and biological, in order to threaten our way of life? Saddam violated dozens of UN Resolutions.. so has Kim Jong Il.

    I guess, I'm asking, what do YOU suggest we do? Make more UN Resolutions? Write more mean letters to Kim Jong Il?

    Don't you want to protect Isreal from Iran? You do realize if it wasn't for us, Isreal would be wiped off the globe, right?

    I'm not picking on you, I am sincerely asking what agenda the liberals have in mind with this WAR? Remember.. we are at WAR. Bush has indeed made mistakes, plenty - but what have liberals done? Thus far, I've seen whining, disrespect for our troops, and other typical "Spit on a veteran" hippy crap. What would the liberals have done differently?

    Keep in mind, Bush acted on intelligence he had at the time. Would a Democrat have had some different info?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(desynch @ Mar 15 2007, 02:52 PM) [snapback]406359[/snapback]</div>
    Desync or out-of-sync? Try rebooting.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(desynch @ Mar 15 2007, 07:14 PM) [snapback]406377[/snapback]</div>
    Keep in mind, Bush acted on one report (that later turned out to be as unsupportable and unverifiable as the majority of the intelligence community told him at the time) that tenuously supported his WMD reasons for attacking. Also, if you recall, at the time, he also manufactured links between terrorism and Saddam that have NEVER been proven; in fact, quite the opposite, it turns out.

    I find it hard that this many years down the road, and in the face of so much evidence, that people still defend that Bush was "misinformed". Or that we were preventing terrorists from attacking us here by attacking a country that had NOTHING to do with 9/11.
    Unbelievable.
     
  6. desynch

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    Ok, so lets say Bush was NOT misinformed and he straight up lied through his teeth...

    Why isn't he being tried as a war-criminal?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(desynch @ Mar 15 2007, 07:35 PM) [snapback]406391[/snapback]</div>
    That's a very good question. I believe the impeachment thread spelled out why this would not be in our country's best interests at this time. However, once he's out of office, I hope they investigate the lot of them and charge them with everything they can find and prove. Oh wait, that's right, Dubya changed the law - we can't have access to those records if he decides we can't. Isn't that special?
     
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    I support the troops, I don't support the poor decision making that was done to send them overseas. I want them to come home and I want them to look towards the future and not wreck their brains on whether they have done good or harm.

    Nuff said, we are in this mess because we had no real plan on how to bring this war to a positive conclusion. We completely underestimated the power vacuum encouraging every extremist nutter with a half a dream to start their own miniature state. We underestimate man's capacity to hold a grudge over centuries paired with the desire for power and to dominate others who are not like him/herself. Regime change undertaken by a great western society should not look like a South American coup de jour.

    We have the greatest minds working for our government. They ought to come up with a plausible plan now. It is not too late, it is time!

    Btw, the sanctions against NK seem to have worked (time will tell, though) Lets hope that the 5'3" half god doesn't throw in a divine wrench :angry:

    Sadly my approach to respect other opinions (while grumbling to myself mind you! :lol: ) and to live an exemplary spiritual life that sets me on path to peace and happiness is not universally shared, so I am really all out of bubble gum with regards to a solution for NK, Iran, Iraq etc...
     
  9. desynch

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ZenCruiser @ Mar 15 2007, 06:39 PM) [snapback]406392[/snapback]</div>
    Special isn't the S-word I was thinking about!
     
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    I really wish we would have used Afghanistan as a "stronghold" of democracy. This liberal absolutely approved of knocking the Taliban on its nice person.

    Too bad we didn't finish the job...
     
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    I guess first you have to show that "liberals" are in fact more concerned with GW than Terrorism. Frankly, I mostly hear conservatives talking about Global Warming. Perhaps they're trying to distract us from something...

    I seems as though every time I happen to hear Rush or O'Reilly, or read a right-wing blog, global warming is one of the top topics. Yet when you look at media surveys like www.journalism.org, Global Warming only cracked the top news topics the week An Inconvenient Truth won an Oscar.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(desynch @ Mar, 04:35 PM) [snapback]406391[/snapback]</div>
    Rumsfeld is being tried in Germany for war crimes. I expect more indictments to be forthcoming.
     
  13. desynch

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    I don't read any right wing crap, O'Reilly is a hate monger.. Rush is a drug using biggot.. Ann Coulter is also a hate monger, and I question her woman hood. Her adams apple is a tad too large.

    The only people I've noticed are Gore and his followers..

    You'd be a fool to not NOTICE a change in weather and agree that it is getting hotter and hotter. You'd be a fool not to question if we are doing it or not.. Even if _WE_ as Americans did something about it, do you think China will? What about all those other countries that pollute more than us?

    .... but could we PLEASE focus on cleaning up this mess in the Middle East, first? I wish our politicians, left and right -would remove their heads from their buttocks.

    Livelychick - Yes indeed, about Afghan. Very bad.. :(

    ps - the media is TERRIBLE.. I don't know of any outlet that reports non-bias news. Half the news hour is talking about American Idol.. seriously.

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dragonfly @ Mar 15 2007, 08:16 PM) [snapback]406447[/snapback]</div>
    Cheney scares the crap out of me.. If this man isn't an evil incarnate then I don't know what is:

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(desynch @ Mar, 06:27 PM) [snapback]406452[/snapback]</div>
    China ratified Kyoto in 2002.
     
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    Well, if nothing is done about Global Warming, it will eventually take care of the terror problem for us.

    It will take care of all of us.
     
  16. desynch

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dragonfly @ Mar 15 2007, 08:31 PM) [snapback]406456[/snapback]</div>
    "Since 2002, the number of complaints to the environmental authorities has increased by 30% every year, reaching 600,000 in 2004; while the number of mass protests caused by environmental issues has grown by 29% every year.

    According to the People's Republic of China's own evaluation, two-thirds of the 338 cities for which air-quality data are available are considered polluted--two-thirds of them moderately or severely so. Respiratory and heart diseases related to air pollution are the leading cause of death in China. Acid rain falls on 30% of the country. China is about 20 years behind the U.S. schedule of environmental regulation and 20 to 30 years behind Europe."

    They aren't doing anything about it.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(desynch @ Mar, 06:45 PM) [snapback]406464[/snapback]</div>
    Sure they are.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emission_standard#China

    "Due to rapidly expanding wealth and prosperity, the number of cars on China's roads is exploding, creating an ongoing pollution problem. China enacted its first emissions controls on automobiles in 2000, equivalent to Euro I standards. They were upgraded again in 2005 to Euro II. More strigent emission controls will go into effect in 2007, equivalent to Euro III standards. Plans are for Euro IV standards to take effect in 2010."
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lywyllyn @ Mar, 06:58 PM) [snapback]406477[/snapback]</div>
    Sure, and there are reasons for that. But not meeting goals is not the same as not doing anything about it. And it's no excuse for the U.S. to continue to do nothing.
     
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    Liberals don't all bash the troops. Most of the anti-war talk I've been involved in does not say how horrible they are. I have family over there, as does many people. I want them home; I want them safe. It's honorable that they're willing to go fight for a cause that they may not believe in and much of the country questions.

    I'm not sure why we thought we could go over there and have a brief conflict with people who are perfectly willing to blow themselves up [and revered for it in certain circles]. We should've known this would drag on and on.