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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by Hostage46, Apr 14, 2007.

  1. Hostage46

    Hostage46 New Member

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    This time last year the seach began on a whim. I was actually about to pull the trigger on an Acura TL, but just couldn't stomach the fuel cost, unleaded premium was north of $3.50 per gallon. I looked seriously at the Prius but even a test drive in one was a challenge. It took three weeks to find one to drive around the block with a completely clueless sales guy and it was an '04 loaner, really was put off by the process.

    Instead I picked up a. '06 Civic Sedan EX with Nav. As a lifelong Honda owner, I felt more comfortable going with a car I knew, I was expecting 35 to 40 MPG, and I really liked the look of the car. It was almost as hard to find this deal, ended up going to Oklahoma to pick up my new car.

    So it's been 6 months, I do like the Civic .... but. My commute is 45miles round trip, 50% of my 90 min drive is in bumper to bumper traffic. I keep track, I get 30MPG, the tank lasts one week. On the highway, I can get to 40, but this is an around the town rig.

    So a buddy at work rolls up one day in his new hybrid Camry. He drives the same commute, lots of slow and go, he gets 50mpg.... I didn't believe it, then I drove his "luxury golf cart" and lo an behold, it was true.

    I also need more storage room, I need a hatchback to haul junk with, the civic fold down seat isn't too bad, but the overall interior space is a bit small when I have passengers. Finally the gadget factor. I have XM and Nav in the civic, pretty cool, but I really don't need the nav on the local trips, it would be different if it gave me traffic updates. XM is like having cable TV in your car, 100 channels of too much stuff, and I tend to listen to NPR on the to and from work (now I guess that means I'm destined to drive a Prius <_< )

    The true gadget I really want is the Blue Tooth, I spend lot's of time on the phone for business, it would be nice to leave the headset in my briefcase.

    So I think I can sell the Civic for a decent price. It's only has 15K miles and is perfectly spotless, if I had it detailed and put it on a new car lot, you'd think it's brand new, they're hard to find so I think I can get blue book via a private sale.

    I have two questions:
    What package should I go for? This is a to and from work car. I need decent sound system, it would be nice to plug in the ipod, and I really need the BT. I'll leave the Nav and XM for now, aftermarket is easy enough. And while I was ticked off that I couldn't get leather in the Civic, I'm over it now .... and I guess I can get that after market.

    Where do I get one? I'm all about internet buying, I really don't like going into a dealership for anything but a test drive and to pick it up. Can anyone recommend a good dealer in the DFW area? Heck I'll fly on Southwest for a decent deal like I did on the Civic, still saved about $1K.

    Dan in Dallas .....
     
  2. Husker4theSpurs

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    http://www.toyota.com/prius/options.html

    Looks like Pkg #3 is the lowest pkg with Bluetooth ... no HID headlights.

    Pkg #4 adds HID

    Pkg #5 adds Nav

    Pkg #6 adds Leather

    I'm a newbie, but I think it's rare to find Pkg #3 and Pkg #4 out there ... Toyota likes to send them out with more things on them so you're obligated to spend more than you'd like to and get things you otherwise wouldn't ....
     
  3. Hostage46

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    What is the diff between the standard and touring version other then wheel size? On the Toyota site I see package 1 then A and B .... Sigh.... such a newbie..
     
  4. Husker4theSpurs

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    A little bit tighter suspension I believe ...

    If you scroll down the link I posted, the Touring Pkgs are below the standard pkgs ...
     
  5. okiebutnotfrommuskogee

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Hostage46 @ Apr 14 2007, 07:20 PM) [snapback]423406[/snapback]</div>

    Dan,

    If you want to fly to Tulsa, I suggest that you check Jim Norton Toyota. They have 21 Prius automobiles listed on their site today. We bought our 07 model from them a couple of months ago. It is the second car we have bought from them in the past two years. The salesman we bought both cars from is Rob Loethen. He is very knowledgeable and not at all "high pressure". You can check their inventory and contact them from their website. http://www.jimnortontoyota.com

    Some of the cars have leather option. The one we got has cloth, we prefer that over leather.

    Good Hunting,

    Warren
     
  6. Tideland Prius

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Hostage46 @ Apr 14 2007, 05:41 PM) [snapback]423414[/snapback]</div>
    Stiffer suspension and a longer rear spoiler (I believe HIDs are included in all Touring models?)


    like Husker3theSpurs said, #3 is the package you want.


    It has MP3/WMA capability, it has an AUX Input for your iPod/MP3 player, it has bluetooth and the JBL 9-speaker audio along with VSC, SKS and backup camera as the other major items.
     
  7. V8Cobrakid

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    Go for the touring model. the 04 you drove has a shitty suspension. Sure.. it works. the 04 is like a corolla compared to the touring which i could describe as a Camry feel to the suspension.

    At the same price you can pick up a Camry hybrid ( fully loaded prius - touring )
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Husker4theSpurs @ Apr 14 2007, 08:29 PM) [snapback]423410[/snapback]</div>
    That's right, I just picked up the Package 3 Prius. I absolutely love the bluetooth integration. I now handle a fair amount of business calls from the car with ease. I was like Dan, the one extra I had to have was the bluetooth.
     
  9. Hostage46

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mooney @ Apr 14 2007, 08:29 PM) [snapback]423456[/snapback]</div>

    Thanks for the info folks .... I'll contact the guys in Tulsa ... these guys in OK have figured out how to make a living off the knucklehead dealers in the big city.... that said my buddy says he's friends with the GM at one of the local dealers in the DFW area.

    So what should I expect to pay for a #3 touring or standard.
     
  10. cwerdna

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    To the OP, I'm not sure it makes much economic sense to dump your (already pretty economical and very new) Civic and get a Prius. You should run the #s and see how much you can realistically get for either a trade in or private party sale and compare it to the gas savings. Don't forget to factor in the $787.50 tax credit, if you aren't subject to AMT. If you can get a Civic Hybrid cheap (even though I feel it's inferior in many ways), it might be a better deal, esp. since it still qualifies for a $2100 tax credit per http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=157557,00.html.

    FWIW, per http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorC...=1&id=21736, the old EPA ratings (I assume you have an automatic) on the 06 Civic were 30/40, 34 combined, and under the new method it's 26/36, 30 combined.

    You can look up the value for the 07 Prius at http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorS...amp;model=Prius.

    Since you had some mileage expectations, perhaps you don't know about the EPA test procedure. You can see a summary at http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/how_tested.shtml and http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml.

    Without knowing too much about your commute and driving habits, I'd realistically expect somewhere between 40 mpg and 50 mpg, possibly into the mid to low 50s overall. Much beyond that IMHO is difficult unless you keep your speed down (below 70 mph) and your route is conducive to pulse and glide. The Prius' gas tank isn't very big either, BTW. Due to the "guess gauge", you should get gas ASAP when you are down to 1 pip, which means you'll likely put 9.xxx to maybe 11 gallons in at most.

    Here's another FYI for you http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/bu...s-206/index.htm.
     
  11. Hostage46

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    Excellent reference points....

    The civic is indeed an excellent car. Because it's rare EX with Nav in perfect condition I'll get blue book via a private sale if I make this move, about 19K.

    I currently get 30 MPG combined. I expect in the Prius I'd get high 40's to low 50's, this is a factor, but not the only one. Based the numbers, between the mpg and the tax credit the additional cost of the Prius is tolerable.

    The other factor here is size. I want more room, the civic is small and has minimal cargo space.

    If I can get a good deal on a #3 I'll pull the trigger... we shall see..
     
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    I'm also in Dallas, averaging 45mpg after 4500 miles.
    Only 42mpg this week, it was better 10 days ago when it was warm ;)
     
  13. cwerdna

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Hostage46 @ Apr 14 2007, 10:04 PM) [snapback]423497[/snapback]</div>
    Although Hondas apparently hold their value very well, KBB IMHO generally seems a bit on the high side. I'd look at what Edmunds says too for private party value. 15K miles for a 6 month old car is a lot IMHO and will in turn reduce the value of the car.

    Again, w/o knowing much about your commute and habits, I'd factor in a predicted mileage of low to mid 40s, to be on the safe side. To expect a lifetime avg. in the low 50s is tough, at least for me here in CA w/our special blends of gas, w/my route and the usual speeds I travel. My lifetime avg. is ~45.5 mpg per my calculations.
     
  14. Tideland Prius

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(V8Cobrakid @ Apr 14 2007, 07:06 PM) [snapback]423453[/snapback]</div>
    How does that work lol. The Corolla's suspension is definitely stiffer than the Camry's (do not know abt the Camry SE since I have yet to test one but based on the LE/XLE models)
     
  15. Hostage46

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cwerdna @ Apr 15 2007, 12:19 AM) [snapback]423502[/snapback]</div>
    Well it is good to see some solid counter arguments verses blind loyalty, it's just plain refreshing.

    Bottom line is I can get a decent amount of money out of my Civic. My decision is not a financial one, Frankly, if I could have found a Prius last year, I'd have picked up one then, seems to me supply and demand are in my favor now.

    My commute is perfect for the pulse and glide as well as battery only runs. The first 5 miles of the commute is on city streets, speed limit 30 to 35. Then it's 15 miles on highway half of which is in heavy traffic at 25 to 40, When there is room I run between 60 & 75, then the last three miles is back on the city streets at 25 to 30.

    The other deal is the size, the Prius is bigger then the Civic. Today I had to take my wifes' van to the monthly to an RC Soaring contest, picture very large toy airplanes that have 12 foot wingspans, cant' really do it in the Civic, the prius would have hauled all of my toys very nicely with the hatchback and fold down seats. The Odessy get's 20 MPG, and I drove over 100 miles round trip.

    So we'll see what happens, I'm going to have a go at finding a #3..... color isn't too important.

    Thanks to all for the excellent, well balanced feedback, I'll let ya'll know how it turns out.
     
  16. Charles Suitt

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    :) Hi Hostage46

    You're definitely in a better "buy" situation regarding a Prius than you would have been last year.

    Have you logged on to Toyota.com and checked inventory of North Texas dealers? You can probably find which dealers have the Package 3 you seem to be seeking. Try: 'Toyota.com' - Locate a Dealer - ZIP Code - Select a Dealer - Find It Fast - Build Your Toyota - Prius - on from there.

    I kept track of dealer inventory and "available" {on the way} last November to be aware of what equipment, colors, etc. were in stock or in transit. I did shop the deal with 4 dealers in the Dallas area and made sure all knew I was shopping by having the salesperson's business cards visible on my legal pad. I was willing to walk out, just say "no" to the overall deal - and did just that. The successful dealer called me back and I made a good deal at that time. Due to the Texas sales price tax on a new car (6¼% of total price or 'difference' when trading), I chose to trade rather than sell my 2004 on the street. My '04 was low mileage, no damage, fully equipped and immaculate. I bought from Roland Crenshaw, Internet Manager, Cowbly Toyota, Dallas. I choose to have maintenance done at Toyota of Richardson who maintained my 2004 Prius.

    I bought the Touring Edition Package 6, trading my 2004 Package 8 Prius. I liked the 16" wheels, Bridgestone Turanza tires, firmer suspension, HID headlights, Backup Camera and factory leather trim which included the leather steering wheel and avoided the port-installed leather "Liquicell Comfort" pads under the leather - felt lumpy to us. I'm getting 42-45 MPG "around town" (Dallas) and 50-52 MPG straight freeway driving at 60-70 MPH, after 3,000 miles on the clock. I expect the MPG to increase with more miles on the odometer. This is with Toyota-recommended tire pressures of 35 psi front/33 psi rear - didn't like the 'feel' of higher pressures I had used on my 2004 Prius.

    Good luck on your negotiations.
     
  17. richard schumacher

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    I bought mine entirely by phone, fax, and email. Have them bid on your desired package, then see whether the seller you like best will give you the best deal.

    I did not buy from them (they were the runner up) but I have my service done at Toyota of Richardson.
     
  18. Hostage46

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(richard schumacher @ Apr 16 2007, 01:40 PM) [snapback]424118[/snapback]</div>
    Yes I will never buy a car any other way, email and fax is the way to go.

    I got a call from the Costco fleet manager at Toyota of Plano with a quote of $500 over invoice. He has a black HI in stock.... a good sign.

    I thinnk I might get invoice from someone!!