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Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by daniel, Apr 23, 2007.

  1. daniel

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    I've been wanting a way to access my web-based email and do some light-weight web browsing while travelling, without having to lug my 6-lb laptop along. Even 4 lbs is too much.

    Then I met someone who has a Blackberry that apparently can do that, via built-in wi-fi. And now it appears that the iPhone will have that capability as well.

    I don't need a full-size computer because I don't do any computer work while travelling. I don't post on PC while I'm away. I might check the local weather, check my email, send a brief reply to any that are urgent (maybe one in a week). I also don't need the phone, because I have a cell phone that I seldom use, or the camera, because I'm not into photography.

    What do people think about these devices, or any others that might fill the bill. Basically, simple web browsing via wi-fi from a device that weighs in the range of a few ounces for travel.
     
  2. Mystery Squid

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    Most cell phones these days have such capability, all integrated, phone, web, camera.... Not really sure why you'd want a separate device... I have a Sanyo Katana from Sprint that fits your bill. I can go to websites, check my hotmail, reply, etc.

    IMO, I ultimately found it wasn't worth it. Screen is a bit TOO small, and it's not exactly the speediest in the world. Tried it for a month, then ditched it. YMMV....
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ Apr 23 2007, 10:18 PM) [snapback]428779[/snapback]</div>
    Check out the Nokia N800. It's basically an iPhone without the phone. WiFi, Bluetooth, a proper web browser, touch screen, handwriting recognition, and so on.
     
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    Most PocketPCs can browse the web over WiFi these days. Opera makes a decent on-the-go browser.

    I don't carry my pocketpc unless I travel. For every day use I currently I use a Motorola A1200 with opera mini:

    [​IMG]

    Of course both of these will be replaced by the iPhone the day it becomes available.
     
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    Treo 700p on Sprint is only $15 a month for unlimited high speed internet .Its nice not to have to hunt for wifi locations.
    Browsing and short emails are easy .Lets you do browsing with 1 hand most of the time.Touch screen is convenient and resolution is excellent .It also has a decent camera ,video recorder ,mp3 player,alarm clock, and will run a zillion Palm programs.
    As a phone its just so so.
    Google maps is a free ap which is indispensable while traveling (and at home).Almost as good as a gps.Its great for finding just about anything.I found all the free city pools on Oahu with it.
     
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    the solution for "most phones" that Squid was referring to is, IMO, completely inadequate. the screen is too small, the browser too crappy, and you have to hit too many buttons to get anything done.

    Since you don't really want it as a phone, i would stay away from the whole "smart phone" genre - They look good on the surface, until you realize that the $299 pricetag on the phone is only if you buy a service plan with it... without such a plan, you can expect to add on as much as $200 to the cost of the unit.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(eagle33199 @ Apr 24 2007, 08:16 AM) [snapback]428936[/snapback]</div>

    Try opera mini.
     
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    Wi-Fi is the wrong starting point I think.

    A 5 - 10 KB/sec connection is fine for light email and text based web browsing, and when it is through a wireless telephone provider, access is much more widespread.

    Start here instead:
    How small a screen will you be happy with, and what sort of keyboard will not drive you batty ?

    If cost was not a strong factor, I would think about the iPhone if I could tolerate the input method, or more likely a micro PC portable that weighs under 2 pounds, along with a PC card for carrier access.

    As an example of micro notebooks, look at this one from Sony:
    http://www.mobiletechreview.com/sony_ux180...Vaio-UX180P.htm
    Or a 2.7 pound offering from Panasonic:
    http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/store...000000000005702

    As you probably know, I am virulently anti-windows, but Apple does not have entries in this hardware niche. A working Linux distro on a micro notebook would be great, but homework is required: these devices often have proprietary chips that may or may not be supported in Linux.
     
  9. daniel

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    Thanks for all the suggestions. I need WiFi because I will be using the device solely for travel, and will sometimes be at locations where there is no cell phone service. I'll be at a wilderness chalet in July, where the only communication to the outside world is by radio or satellite phone. But they have wi-fi via a satellite internet connection.

    I have two problems with the Sony Vaio: It runs Windows, and even two lbs is a bit heavy, when added to everything else in my backpack, which must carry everything I cannot afford to lose en route. If I could be sure of being able to run Linux on it, I might accept the weight. But I had a hard time finding a Linux distro that would work for me on my laptop, and it seems nothing is certain when trying to match a laptop to a Linux distro.

    Since my OP, I phoned Verizon, since they are my cell phone carrier. I found out that a data plan for any of their internet-capable phones costs $80 per month. Since I'm only gone a few weeks out of the year, I'm not sure it's worth it.

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jonnycat26 @ Apr 23 2007, 07:26 PM) [snapback]428786[/snapback]</div>
    Wow! Thanks Jonnycat! I checked it out on Amazon, and I think this will do it for me! The clincher is it runs Linux instead of Windows.
     
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    When I go out of the U.S., in most cities there's usually an Internet cafe every couple of blocks, and even most small towns seem to have one or two.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ Apr 24 2007, 12:14 PM) [snapback]429034[/snapback]</div>
    No problem.. I think you'll like it, most of the people I personally know that own it love it. I'm a little jealous tho, I've been kicking around the idea of getting one myself but can't find any practical reason.. and the Wii ate most of my 'no good reason' money. :)

    There's a huge support community around the Nokia tablets, and lots of extra software readily available. I have to admit, looking at the description on Amazon I found a lot of features that I had forgotten it had, such as the integrated webcam and speakers. It also has a FM radio, if that's of any use.

    Am I trying to talk myself into buying one now... maybe. :)
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stev0 @ Apr 24 2007, 09:54 AM) [snapback]429070[/snapback]</div>
    No internet cafes at the chalet at Durrand glacier, a 15-minute helicopter ride from the nearest town, or a 5-minute helicopter ride from the nearest road. But they do have a wi-fi hotspot. (www.selkirkexperience.com) In Mexico, on my last trip, I was a 15-minute taxi ride from the tourist zone of Playa del Carmen, where the nearest internet cafes were. And finally, while I don't mind checking my Yahoo email from a public computer, because there is nothing security-critical there, I NEVER log on to my bank site from a public computer, so it's nice to have my own computer along. Nothing is 100% secure, but my own is a lot safer than a public computer.
     
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    Away from the hot-spot, home, or the base station Daniel is going to in July, Wi-Fi is useless, so there is no reason to lug a Wi-Fi only device like the N800 around. If the device is kept near the access, why worry about the weight ? People who hike from one coffee shop to another will come to different conclusions.

    I seem to remember that a couple of phones are around that have Wi-Fi also. That is another option.

    Logging on to sensitive accounts through public Wi-Fi is a very bad idea, regardless whether the computer is public or personal. David Pogue of the NYTimes wrote a layperson's column that should be required reading for all outside the computer security field (who presumably know this already).
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(EricGo @ Apr 24 2007, 02:25 PM) [snapback]429141[/snapback]</div>
    The N800 isn't WI-FI only... it can go online via a bluetooth phone.
     
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    I would go with something from HTC or Nokia. I have a T-Mobile Dash (aka HTC S620/Excalibur) and it is great. I wouldn't mind having a Nokia E62 either though. It just depends on if you would rather use Windows Mobile or Symbian...
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(EricGo @ Apr 24 2007, 11:25 AM) [snapback]429141[/snapback]</div>
    You misunderstand. The place I am going has Wi-Fi but does not have cell-phone coverage. They get their internet access by direct satellite. So a Wi-Fi device is the ONLY way I can get access there, and I do not want to lug the laptop.

    Elsewhere, when I fly I hate having to carry the computer, but there's usually Wi-Fi available in my hotel room.

    And I only need very light-weight web browsing ability. And I HATE Windows. So I have ordered the Nokia N800. It looks like the perfect machine for my needs.
     
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    I have had the blackberry and the treo. Blackberry have dull e-mail features and are known for an echo when you use the phone. However bluetooth is excellent. Treo (palm version) has good sound as a phone, excellent e-mail, excellent palm features but the bluetooth suchs the big one. You would think they would make one that did all well considering that you have to carry a little brick on your hip!
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ Apr 24 2007, 05:47 PM) [snapback]429339[/snapback]</div>
    You know. It seems that for very little additional money you could get the iPhone and all its additional features. For me iPod functionality and perfect Mac syncing would do it for me.

    Report back on the N800!

    Cheers!
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alric @ Apr 24 2007, 06:15 PM) [snapback]429431[/snapback]</div>
    I paid $380 for the Nokia. Plus $33 in tax and $6 for shipping, from Amazon. The iPhone would have cost about $600 for the low-memory version, plus an as-yet-undisclosed amount for the contract, because apparently it will be unavailable without a two-year contract. Verizon wants $80 per month for its data plan. Assuming Cingular will be competitive, the iPhone would have cost almost $2,000 in service charges alone. Or if they end up giving you the first year of the plan free, and charging only for the second year, cut that in half, for a total cost of about $1,600 compared to a total cost of $420 for the Nokia.

    And since I already have a phone, and I don't want Cingular (the only way to get an iPhone!) and my iPod works fine, I really don't want or need an all-in-one device.

    I use my iPod mini clipped to my pocket when I'm moving around, or sitting on the plane. The iPhone will be too bulky to be comfortable. My phone is small and comfortable to hold. Those PDA-type phones are too big to be comfortable. I much prefer separate devices, which can be much smaller.

    Now if Apple had a palm-size computer that was just a computer with Wi-Fi, I'd have jumped on it. But in my opinion, Linux is the next best thing to OS X.

    I will try to remember to report back on the Nokia. The big test will be this summer, when I'll be spending a lot of time in Canada. Note, however, that my needs are very lightweight. Keep in touch with my web-based email (no use for proprietary email services such as Blackberry and others offer), check the local weather reports, and not much else. On winter trips I'll probably use it to check out local activities. It won't be as good for that as a laptop, but I'll save 6 lbs of weight which for me, with my bad back, is a very big deal. My experience won't be significant for anyone with real computing needs.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ Apr 24 2007, 06:47 PM) [snapback]429339[/snapback]</div>
    Cheers with the Nokia. I also am curious how well it works, particularly since it is an embedded Linux.

    I didn't misunderstand at all. I am pointing out that a device tethered to a base station for utility is best considered for it's functions, and not its weight. After all, other than the trip from the car to the baggage check-in, and baggage claim to hotel room, it just sits around. I gather you put high priority on those 100 metres and two pounds or so, but a somewhat healthy person would not; or at least I don't.