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Just hit 5000 miles. Anyone rotate their own tires?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Green Hokie, Jun 13, 2007.

  1. Green Hokie

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    If so,

    1. What jack point did you use at the front of the vehicle? The jack point for the rear is very easy to spot and quite obvious. However, I'm not so sure about the front. I realize the manual has a sketch showing both jack points. However, I think the illustration is a little vague for the front and I'm uncertain as to the proper location.

    2. Once jacked-up, what locations did you use to rest the vehicle on the four stands?

    3. Finally, did you simply rotate front-to-back and back-to-front? Or, did you also cross (the back-to-front tires)?

    If possible, please provide photos for 1 & 2.

    Thanks!
     
  2. daronspicher

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    I rotate my own... did it at 10k, 20k, 30k, 40k and then at 50 I decided to wait till 55k and then probably change them out by 70k...

    I have 4 boards made from 2x8's that I put in front of the tires, then drive the car up on them before I start. The clearance is so low it's so hard to get the jack under and easier if I use these to bring the car up just that 1.5 inches before I start.

    Loosen the nuts on rear driver wheel.
    Use Jack to lift up that side... I jack on the carrier for the shock absorber, take that wheel off and then lower that wheel onto an actual jack stand.

    Check the tire pressure on that tire, get it ready to install.

    loosen the front driver wheel nuts, jack it up, take off that one, put on the one I got from the rear.

    Check that tire for pressure, loosen nuts passenger rear, jack up that one, swap tires...

    Check tire pressure, swap that one with passenger front..

    Check passenger front pressure, put it on drivers side rear.

    So, the back wheels come forward, the front cross over on the way back.. I jack it up with a cheap hydraulic jack on places fairly near the wheel itself and I only ever have 1 jackstand that just holds the original corner up where I started. The rest of the time, I'm taking one off, putting one on..

    Probably doesn't make sense to get the car up on 4 jackstands with all 4 wheels off..
     
  3. Green Hokie

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    Thanks for the reply, Daron. Never thought about rotating them one at a time, using a hydraulic jack and only one jack stand. Sounds like this method works well for you. I'll probably just use all four jack stands, since I already have them. Seems like jacking the vehicle up only twice (and using four stands) would be faster than having to jack-up the vehicle at four locations.

    As they say, there's more than one way to skin a cat. No offense to you animal lovers. :p
     
  4. wiiprii

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    I'll be rotating mine this weekend, using the spare as a placeholder as I don't have any jack stands. Front to back, no side to side changes. In another 5,000 miles I'll put the back ones back on the front and the front ones back on the back.

    -wiiprii
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Green Hokie @ Jun 13 2007, 01:03 PM) [snapback]460958[/snapback]</div>
    I have 2 jacks, so I put one jack under the jack point on the rear, and jack both rear wheels off the ground. Then I take the other jack, and put it on the "frame rail" on one side of the car just behind the front wheel, jack that wheel up, and swap the wheels on that side -- I can't reach the center of the cradle that the owner's manual recommends with my floor jacks. Then lower that front corner and repeat for the other side.

    I always rotate front to back, unless the owner's manual indicates otherwise.

    If I only had one jack, I'd jack up the front corner at the frame rail, put a jack stand there, remove the front wheel, jack up the back and swap wheels, then lower the back, then jack up the front again and remove the jack stand. Then rinse and repeat for the other side.
     
  6. Green Hokie

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    I appreciate the feedback, everyone. I'm going to rotate my tires this weekend and hope someone who has done theirs (using a jack & four jack stands) will chime-in before then (with pictures, of course). Guess I could always drive to any of the local Toyota service centers and get them to show me the appropriate front jack point and four stand positions. I just hate going to the dealer and try to avoid taking my vehicle there for anything but the very complicated maintenance items.
     
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    i rotate mine every 5,000 miles and i use two floor jacks to support it. i believe this to be minimal risk since i am never in a position to be pinned by the car. the front support has i believe 4 bolts heads sticking out that shows where the joint on the frame is. that is what i use to line it up with.
     
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    I did front-to-back fairly recently since I've now got the Hydroedges
    which are directional tread, so you can't cross them. For each side
    I stood the tires up tread-to-tread next to each other and took
    pictures straight down through the grooves to see if I could detect
    any differential wear between front and back. I couldn't, and that
    was probably 6000 and change miles after buying them. My driving in
    general is fairly low-load so I could probably drop to an every 10k
    or 15k with no ill effects whatsoever.
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    Thanks, Dave & Hobbit. I'll have to take a closer look at the front jack point to see if I can spot those four bolt heads you mentioned. Didn't see them the first time I looked but I also wasn't underneath the vehicle then. I have the Bridgestone Turanza's on my touring. I'll have to double-check but I do not believe they are directional tires. However, I wonder if crossing tires has any real impact on tread/tire life. Like you, Hobbit, I drive very lightly... then again, so do most of the established (& striving) hypermilers! :lol:
     
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    I have no comment on your question, but I just had to say that I love seeing another Hokie here!

    Jennifer and Chris
    Class of '96 :)
     
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    1. Secure the emergency brake.
    2. Block tires (chock block).
    3. Loosen nuts on front and rear wheels.
    4. Jack under midpoint on side of vehicle.
    5. Lift vehicle (one side)
    6. Remove nuts, switch wheels (front to back, back to front).
    7. Secure nuts on each wheel.
    8. Lower vehicle slightly.
    9. Secure nuts further.
    10. Lower vehicle completely and check nuts.
    11. Do same to other side.

    I rotate tires at every oil change interval. Cheaper and quicker to do it myself. Also gives me an opportunity to inspect parts of the vehicle I don't normally look at.
     
  12. Green Hokie

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    skruse, thanks for the reply.

    livegreen, Let's go... Hokies!!!!

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  13. richard schumacher

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    Rotating tires on a fixed schedule reduces safety. It is safer to rotate tires only as needed to keep the *less* worn tires at the rear. You want the best traction in the rear to reduce the chances of fishtailing or spinning out.
     
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    What's this all about? My tires rotate whenever I drive. :) :)
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(richard schumacher @ Jun 15 2007, 10:27 AM) [snapback]462318[/snapback]</div>
    I disagree, I put the best tires on the front to have best traction on the wheels that steer and drive the vehicle. Rear wheel slides are easy to correct for by countersteering but if you slide the front you loose steering control of the vehicle. This is particularly a problem for FWD cars in snow. It may help that I grew up driving RWD cars in the snowbelt and would take the car out every snowstorm to practice in empty parking lots. I still despise FWD.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jhinton @ Jun 15 2007, 09:34 PM) [snapback]462800[/snapback]</div>
    Hmm, I also grew up driving RWD in the snowbelt. And I got real tired of my Jeep spinning out whenever the pavement was less than perfect. Keeping the better tires on the rear reduced that noticeably.
     
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    skruse...Where is the midpoint jacking point you refer to. Is it marked? I didn't see it in the manual.
     
  18. Green Hokie

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    Rotated my tires this afternoon. After taking a closer look underneath, I figured out where the proper jack point is for the front of the vehicle... pretty much where the manual says it is. Placed the vehicle on four stands and only rotated front-to-back (did not cross). Took me about 20 minutes (also took the opportunity to clean the inside surface of the rims/wheels, as well as, the backside of the plastic wheel covers... man, were they dirty!).

    Thanks to everyone for your input.
     
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    Bump.

    skruse...Where is the midpoint jacking point you refer to. Is it marked? I didn't see it in the manual.
     
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    Use a nylon block or a Piece of wood between the car and the jack. I bought a nylon jack block at Pep Boy's to keep the paint on the jack point.

    Always use a jack stand after you jack up the car for safety sake.

    Blue