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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TJandGENESIS @ Aug 9 2007, 01:41 AM) [snapback]492872[/snapback]</div>

And How Do We Explain This To Children??
Don't Use Drugs Etc WHY ???
This Gives The Impression That Their Is A Reward For Cheating!
Well My 2 cents worth.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tideland Prius @ Aug 9 2007, 01:01 AM) [snapback]492858[/snapback]</div>

It's a U.S. thing.

Barry Bonds broke the all-time baseball home run record Tuesday night with his 756th, a record that some consider the most hallowed in all of American sports. Hank Aaron's record had stood for 30-some years. Bonds' pursuit of the record has been shrouded in a cloud of controversy because he and many of the other home run kings of recent years have been alleged to have used steroids.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NYPrius1 @ Aug 9 2007, 07:23 AM) [snapback]492908[/snapback]</div>

You explain that to children, we have a little thing called due process in this country, and you shouldn't go around assuming someone is guilty just because one has been accused of something.

Your 2 cents worth is about a penny short.

 

757!

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08092007/sport...l_morrissey.htm

"I don't doubt it. There's been a lot of validation to some of the things that Jose Canseco has said over the years," Jones said. "At first when it came out, a lot of people didn't want to give him a lot of credit.

"But a lot of it has been proven true. Now, when he opens his mouth, people listen. And unfortunately, this cloud is following probably two of the best players of this century."

After writing the book "Juiced" and exposing some of the game's biggest sluggers as steroid users, Canseco reportedly told a Boston radio station he had "other stuff" on Rodriguez. Canseco also reportedly called A-Rod a "hypocrite" and "not all he appeared to be."

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TJandGENESIS @ Aug 9 2007, 09:34 AM) [snapback]492933[/snapback]</div>

I just assumed an adult's head would not grow that much after age 21. And Feet And Chest ETC.
Sometimes you just have to think about it!!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Aug 9 2007, 10:42 AM) [snapback]492955[/snapback]</div>

Hmmm So Who Were The OJ Jury Members??

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JimboK @ Aug 9 2007, 07:42 AM) [snapback]492913[/snapback]</div>

He still has a way to go to top Sadaharu Oh's total of 868.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Aug 9 2007, 11:29 AM) [snapback]492980[/snapback]</div>

I agree completely. What's really a shame is that we'll never know how many Josh Gibson might have hit.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Aug 9 2007, 10:42 AM) [snapback]492955[/snapback]</div>

STOP RIGHT THERE.


Yes, IT DOES MEAN THEY ARE INNOCENT.


See, people, here is the deal. I was sued once, and while I was innocent, (and it settled out of court), if I had to go to court, I would be assumed innocent until proven otherwise. That is why, personally, I think that anyone who convicts another human, based on just their feelings, is doing that person an injustice.

Barry Bonds may have, indeed, done illegal steroids. I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV, so I don't know if he did. But until he is convicted, in a court, in this country, the USA, that he did indeed take illegal steroids, he is innocent. And that is the more important lesson to teach your kids.

How would you like it if your kids, were being accused of something they had not done, and been tried in the public court, found guilty, all before they had a chance to prove their innocence? To use a kid's phrase, 'It's not fair!'

And it's not fair to just assume that Barry Bonds is guilty. He has not been proven guilty. It's not correct, and it sends a screwed up message to kids that it is alright to assign guilt on anyone, just because others have.

 

First: Have you ever tried to hit a baseball? If anything bulking up on roids would make it even more difficult than it already is. In other words taking roids doesn't make you more able to hit a baseball for a home run.

Second: how many posative tests for Bonds are here??

Third: Who says Aaron never took any peformance enhancers? Was he ever tested?

Fourth: What about Ruth? We know he drank like a fish, maybe there were some other enhancers in there also, maybe some coke? (Which wouldn't be that out of the ordinary for that time period)

 

oh did he get 756??

didn t notice, dont care. it will never be a record in my book

pete rose i can accept. gambling imm is a relatively tame thing. sure its an addition, but i find it hard to believe it made rose a better player.

drugs is simply another story.


as for ruth, it was well known that he was frequently high on speed and coke while playing.

 

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Let's bring it down to brass tacks, then, TJ.

1. I believe that Bonds did use steroids, and I believe that we'll be able to look back and see that proven, sometime not too far from the present. I can't prove it. I believe it, though.

2. Any so-called record obtained by using steroids should be flushed down the john for the bumwad that it is.

Therefore, I don't acknowledge Bond's "record." I'd call him a joke, but he's actually a disgrace. But I'm not the baseball commissioner, so that's just my opinion, not law, "guilt," "innocence," etc,

and that's really all any of us were saying in this thread, and you know it.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(zapranoth @ Aug 12 2007, 03:31 AM) [snapback]494236[/snapback]</div>

No. That is not what you and others are saying. You are saying a man is guilty until proven innocent. And I won't just sit around and be silent about it.

Does any of us know, for a fact, that Bonds has done any illegal drugs? Anyone? No? Then you have to just let him be.

It's likely he is guilty, well, at least the evidence points that way. But nothing has ever been proven.

You know, I don't really like the guy, and here I am defending him. Why is that? Because everyone deserves this little thing called the benefit of the doubt. We all could be accused some day of something heinous, and at that point, if we are innocent, we will hope for just people, who will defend them.

I'm not mad at anyone here, but we keep doing this kind of thing every day, and it's just annoying. We will never really have peace, if we keep having this conflict.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(zapranoth @ Aug 12 2007, 03:31 AM) [snapback]494236[/snapback]</div>

Now that I 100% agree to.

 

There have been many times I have pondered the future of Professional Baseball.

Wouldn't it be great if the powers that be decided to have an "All Steroid League"? And of course they could have another league called, The Gentlemens League". Since the cost of going to a game is getting higher and higher with astronimcal salaries being paid, why not have an all steroid league and let the fighting go on like they do in hockey. Soon you would have wrestling fans crossing over and becoming fans. Then of course the hockey fans might start watching too.

Real puritans of baseball (gentlemen league fans) could look to both leagues as an example of what the stigma surrounding roids could become. Might we see athletes from the gentlemens league retiring healthy and full of life in their golden years, while the roid leaguers hobble and ride their rascal scooters to press conferences only to be attacked by other old roiders on their hover-rounds? What a circus, I would watch that. Kids could look to the gentlemens league as an honorable institution worthy of respect, hard work and good will. While the fans of the roid-bots could observe first hand the pettiness and anger that results from the use of steroids.

I have heard, and maybe I'm wrong, that steroids are the equivalent of seeds in our bodies. The tissue growth that is accelerated or enhanced comes with risks. (Does anybody remember Lyle Alzado from the Raiders?) Was his cancer caused by roids? Maybe one of the good doctors can shed some light on the seeds theory?

Any-hooz-it, talk about a true game of fantasy leagues!!!! WORD! Could you see guys like Mark McGuire dressed like Macho Man Randy Savage on the field and running over to the umpires and wacking them with a metal chair over the head? HA ha ha ha! OHHH YEAHhhhhh....

Having had personal experience with roid users / abusers in the workplace, I see what they did to one of my co-workers. He was a short man with a napolean complex. Rippling with muscles and attitude. One day when he showed up late to relieve me, I asked him to please be considerate of other peoples schedules. Needless to say he flew off the handle and punched a hole in a bulletin board while screaming my last name at the top of his lungs.... Long story short, a yelling match ensued, he's gone and I'm still here.

bada bing

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(zapranoth @ Aug 12 2007, 12:31 AM) [snapback]494236[/snapback]</div>

and along those lines....
I think most black people are criminals, I can't prove it, but I believe it. So we should just flush them all into jail with the other criminals;

I think all brown people are in the U.S illegally, I can't prove it, but I believe it. So we should deport all the brown people as soon as possible.








tongue+cheek=planted
but you get the point