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Buying a Prius - Not so easy

Discussion in 'Dealers & Pricing' started by mari21, Jul 14, 2007.

  1. mari21

    mari21 New Member

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    Since I'm new to this forum, hello to everyone.

    We (my wife and me) decided to buy a new Prius. Well, after some time looking this challenge is just turning out to be a mission impossible (so it seems).

    We are looking for a Black 2007 Prius Touring Edition with Package #6 (leather and nav).

    Since we live in Florida I checked SET region inventory. None available (barely in other colors either). I contacted our dealer and he basically was just trying to sell us what he has on the lot - 4 base models, none in black).

    I wrote 9 e-mails to dealers as far as 150 miles away, inquiring about our wish car, only one answered. It seems like the dealers don't even bother to make some deals, it just looks like they don't care...

    Well, I know that the Prius is very popular (basically self-selling), the Touring Edition is hard to get and the color black is rare but is it really impossible to get one?

    One dealer told me it's gonna take about 3 months to order one from Toyota and no one was willing to look around the nation for my desired car.

    So my question is, can I buy this car somewhere? Does an order take 3 months? Can I still order the 2007 model or are the dealers waiting for the 2008 models?

    This is just really frustrating. :(

    Thanks for any tips and answers.
     
  2. aaf709

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    Welcome!

    Back in 2005 it was the same way for me. I wanted a package without NAV, but with the JBL sound system. That package wasn't available in So Cal, so I decided to "bite the bullet" and get one with NAV and found one 120 miles away after about an hour's search.

    Can you get one without NAV? You can add leather later and save money by getting a third-party NAV system.
     
  3. Godiva

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    I think this is a timing issue.

    The 2008s are coming out soon. If you have to wait three months, better to get a 2008 touring #6 in black.
     
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    When I first started my Prius Search I was depressed by how unavailable they were (completely unaware of prius sales) and I needed to buy a car immediately. I was looking for a black one and the most I could afford was package #3.

    First day - went to a dealership that had a #3 silver and test drove it. That night I called around to the 5 Toyota dealerships around me. somehow one of them told me they had one, a black touring package 3. I couldn't believe my ears and told him to put it on hold for me.

    the second day I went in and the rest is history. 3 days later I was driving the car off the lot

    They dealership had actually traded one of their other cars to a dealership in NJ for this black prius so i just happened to call at the perfect time. It'd been on the lot for a week.
     
  5. JimN

    JimN Let the games begin!

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    http://www.toyotatex.com/NewInventorySearch.aspx

    This dealer is in Grapevine, TX and is one of the largest in the country. He does have a few available. However, I am not sure if he has a touring in Black #6. Its worth a look and he is 5 minutes from DFW airport. I bought a 2007 white touring #6 and a Camry hybrid from them.
     
  7. mari21

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    Thank you everybody for the tips and infos.

    What is so suprising to me is that out of the nine dealers I wrote only three answered. It seems like no one wants my business. I bought many cars in my life and have always been treated as a valued customer, this time it looks like I have to beg them to do their business with me. It might be just Florida, but this is kind of strange.

    Just like I wrote in my first posting, I know, the Prius is popular, but I'm basically laying thirty thousand on the table (we are not planning to finance the car) and no one wants it. Well...

    At least three dealer answered and I'm meeting with two of them this week (one on Friday and one on Saturday), we will see, what and if they can order for us (and at what price). I'll let you all know.

    Mari

    P.S: JimN, thanks for the tip with carbuyingtips.com, interesting to read...
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mari_FL @ Jul 18 2007, 07:42 PM) [snapback]481291[/snapback]</div>

    I'm in North Florida, and just took delivery of my black 2007 about 5 weeks ago. I'm far from expert, and others on here should be able to elaborate on more details of what you SHOULD do, but I thought I'd pitch in with a warning/lesson learned. In the Southeast all of our cars come thru SEToyota and they will put extra "options" on your car that you may pay thru the nose for. Things like $700 for a paint protectorant, sealant, etc. And the dealer will tell you they have no control over those items - they're put on in the port and left on your buyers order, unless you take notice and fight it out with the dealers! It had to be negotiated when we found the car we liked that already had the "options" that weren't really "optional". Just my 2cents--

    Good luck on your search!
    ~Emily

    And by the way - last time I checked, Jacksonville dealers had a pretty good inventory of Prii around town - especially Coggin Toyota at the Avenues. Don't know if you'd be up for a 6 hour drive in your new car, but I thought I'd mention it.
     
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    up until about 4 days ago there was a black touring #6 available...in the SE region..it was shown on toyota.com...i thought of getting it but wanted bisque interior and thought i'd wait for the 08.
     
  10. mari21

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lefat1 @ Jul 18 2007, 08:43 PM) [snapback]481315[/snapback]</div>
    I know, I saw that car too but just like you, we are looking for bisque leather interior. The car showed availability on 07/14/2007 but then, just after a day it wasn't available anymore (I guess it was a pre-order or something like that).

    Anyway, thanks for the tip.
     
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    I forgot to post an update on this thread, so here's the late update.

    Out of the three dealers only one was willing to talk about the price so we, after a two day talk, agreed on a price and ordered our car.

    Prius, Touring Edition, Package #6 (leather and navigation), Price 26.800 plus tax & fees. It might not be the best deal, but down here in Florida it's the best we could get on an ordered car.

    By the way, we put a deposit down on July 21st and they said it's gonna take up to 6 -8 weeks to get the car. We are on week 3 now, so far, nothing from the dealer.

    We will see.
     
  12. JimN

    JimN Let the games begin!

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mari_FL @ Aug 9 2007, 07:37 PM) [snapback]493267[/snapback]</div>
    The time may seem to drag. There's always a chance the (or a) car will become available sooner. Everything works out in the end and you'll be happy with the car.
     
  13. Godiva

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mari_FL @ Aug 9 2007, 06:37 PM) [snapback]493267[/snapback]</div>

    Is it a 2007 or a 2008? And did you specify to them you didn't want any of their "options"?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mari_FL @ Jul 18 2007, 04:42 PM) [snapback]481291[/snapback]</div>
    Welcome to the forum. Trust me, it isn't just Florida!

    I experienced the same thing here in Southern California. When it comes to a low-supply, high-demand item like the Prius, the salesman are lazy order-takers. If they have to do any work to get your deal, they will just go to another customer who they can serve with less effort.

    This isn't unique to car salesman. I am a real estate developer, and during the "housing boom" of the past few years, many of the "top salespeople" were equally lazy order-takers. They didn't "sell" anything. They took down your name, handed you brochures, and if you had questions about the unit, many times they wouldn't deem it worth their time to answer them. As luck would have it, the market changed and now you have to earn people's business and know how to sell if you want to earn a living doing this. Most of those folks I was talking about are now unemployed, or doing something else.

    I originally wanted to buy my Prius through my local dealership. I went in, test drove a base-model one, and then told them I wanted a Classic Silver/Dark Gray Leather/Touring/Package #6. What I expected to hear was "We will look at the inventory at every dealership on the West coast and see if somebody has one of these that we can trade for". But what I actually heard was "Well, give us your phone number, and if our next allocation from Toyota in a few weeks happens to include one of these, we'll give you a call". Please note that I was an all-cash buyer ready to purchase within the next few days, they understood this, and this was their response. If they don't want to do 30 to 60 minutes worth of work to earn roughly $28k of my business, then they can (insert your favorite applicable phrase here).

    So don't feel like this is limited to your experience. You will have the best luck if you are willing to actually call around to dealerships. If you think about it, these lazy salespeople probably get 30 fishing-expedition E-mails a day, and they understand that each time they see one, perhaps eight of their colleauges at other Toyota dealerships had the pleasure of receiving the same E-mail that day as well. Why would they invest their time? Calling takes more effort, and forces them to respond to you in some way right then and there. It is also easier to tell if they are BS'ing you if you can hear their voice (at least for me) vs. just reading their E-mail. Finally, take advantage of the fact that many dealerships have up-to-date inventory search tools. Always use one of these before you call them. Not only will you get a quick idea of their general inventory situation (i.e. are they overstocked or not), but you can often see in advance if they have your car. Then if the salesperson says "oh, that is going to be hard to find", you can tell them that it will be easier than they think ;)

    If you want to see something interesting, you should check out this thread:

    http://priuschat.com/index.php?showtopic=3...mp;#entry494216

    There are folks here who think you should be able to walk in and demand 10% off MSRP for 2007 Prius vehicles, and that you should not be paying more than MSRP for a 2008 Prius ;) It's always fun to see different people's perceptions are of the same marketplace!

    UPDATE: I did not realize you had already ordered the car you wanted. Congrats!! Interestingly enough, they are in such high demand here in So Cal, that I was not able to find a single dealer that would allow you to specify options and order a car. All of the dealer's said that even THEY can't specify what colors/options they get in their allotments!! Either that is the truth, or for some reason, the salespeople and fleet managers thought it would be better to lie and not get my business instead of getting an easy, no-effort presale.
     
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    to mari ,i used to work at a toyota dealer in calif and have sence moved to fla ,you cant order a prius anywhere or at any dealer !!all we do as sales people is basicly locate one at anouther dealer who is willing to part with a particuler color package etc.so you are waiting for either a car that is on there allocation or a dealer trade!!,If you want to keep looking around for your car you can because even if you gave a deposit for that incoming unit and you find one elswere that is on the lot and lets say a better price the dealer has to give your deposit back !! unless you agreed to let him keep it if you backed out ,fla dealers have some really strange ways of sticking you with all kinds of fees i.e. dealer fee ,paint protection,interior protection,,also known as toyogaurd a complete ripoff it doesnt even repel water ! interior doesnt even beed up and if it does stain theyre not responsable to repair it " fine print in boucher ".well i hope you get your new prius soon . ps make sure it doesnt pull to the " left " because ive been reading the horror stories about cars swerving all over the road ,and it all starts with units that pull to the left ..
     
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    @ Godiva: We haven't specify a model year but the dealer said that it's gonna be (probably) a 2008 model because of the time of the year (the '08 are just about to hit the dealerships). I personally would prefer to get the '08 model (simple because of the newer value) but since it's really hard to get the car (see this thread) I would take the '07 model too. We also specifically opt. out (we have it on paper) that we don't want the ToyoGuard option nor do we want the mats. But to be honest with you, when a car comes along exactly the way we want it and has the ToyoGuard option "installed", I would take it rather than wait for another one to show up (of course I haven't told this to the dealer).

    @JG in SB: Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experience. Just like you said, it really is hard to deal with people selling high demanding products/cars. Down here in Florida many dealers have a very low stock of the Priis (our local dealer had four of them, all in Base, we want Touring, none in black and none #6). The first salesman tried to sell us something from the lot (Quote: "Why do you need navigation and anyway, how much does a Garmin cost?"). We then made it clear that we know what we want and nothing else... I always thought that whenever you are ready to pay for something (in this case about $ 30K, no financing) and you make it perfectly clear (when I wrote all those E-Mails and always mentioned to the dealers that we want to buy a car within the next two weeks) that you are going to be treated as a valued customer but this really doesn't apply to the Toyota dealerships. Anyway, I am really looking forward to see how this whole "I'm Buying a Toyota Prius" experience turns out.

    @palary: I know that with Toyota there is no such a thing as ordering a car from the factory (sadly). All that they can do is to trade the car with another dealer or wait for the car to arrive with the next shipment from Japan (allocation). That's why I don't really expect to get the car anytime soon. The dealer told us "up to 8 weeks" and once this time is over I have to re-think this whole plan. Here in Florida with this "great" SET (South East Toyota) system, you can check the availability for all the south east states online (which I'm doing almost every other day), just to see what is coming in and what's not. When we put down the deposit I made it clear that if we don't get what we ordered (either they cannot get it or it isn't the way we ordered), we get the deposit (btw. $ 500) back.

    This whole experience made me question, if Toyota is really the company I want to be dealing with (through the dealerships)and spending my money. There are many brands and carmakers that would be glad to take my money and get me a new car (Honda Civic?) but we really like the Prius, and after all the research on the car, I would like to own and enjoy one. But I think this is exactly what the dealers know and why they "play" their game when it comes to the Prius. It's an interesting, great and high demanding car.

    Well, we'll see.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mari_FL @ Jul 14 2007, 11:24 PM) [snapback]478918[/snapback]</div>
    Hi:

    My husband just bought a new prius from Steet Toyota in Utica, NY they have 3 black ones. I don't know what packages they have but it can't hurt to call and ask them. The # is 315-736-8241 Good Luck
     
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    JimN Let the games begin!

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mari_FL @ Aug 12 2007, 01:00 PM) [snapback]494314[/snapback]</div>
    While it is fair to ding Toyota & their dealers for your experience I doubt you will find the dealers of other manufacturers treating you much better under the same circumstances. If the Honda dealer has 25 Civics on the lot I'll bet they try to talk you into one of them before they try to find or order the one you want. The sad truth is that you can buy a lesser car anywhere. When the New Beetle was hot VW dealers acted the same way. When the PT Cruiser was hot Chrysler dealers acted the same way. It doesn't help build a long term relationship but that isn't valued very highly by a lot of people in the business.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JimN @ Aug 12 2007, 11:43 AM) [snapback]494351[/snapback]</div>
    I 100% agree with you JimN that this sad situation is not unique to Toyota. When I bought my Audi A6 though about a year and a half ago, the local dealer did not have what I was lookign for in stock, and the first thing they said was "We'll see if ther eis one like that at another dealer and see if they will let us trade for it". They were willing to make a little effort (or at least make it look like they were). Sad that this is the exception and not the norm.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JimN @ Aug 12 2007, 02:43 PM) [snapback]494351[/snapback]</div>
    JimN, just to clear this up, I'm not complaining about anything or any dealers for trying to sell me something from the lot. I would say, this is just the "natural behavior" of any car salesman. Rather, I am very suprised about the way the Toyota dealers treat their customers. Out of many dealers I wrote (and later on called) only three answered, no one could provide me with a quote right away, the rest of them just ignored me. Later in the whole process, very few were willing to "talk" about price and features, about ordering or getting for us the car we want, not the one they want...

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JimN @ Aug 12 2007, 02:43 PM) [snapback]494351[/snapback]</div>
    I don't know if you did experience this personally with all the car brands you are mentioning here, but we actually bought a PT Cruiser and were treated very nicely at the Crysler dealership. To have a nice and popular car on their "hands" doesn't necessary mean, a car dealer "is allowed" to act like this.

    Anyway, I just wanted to clarify that this thread is about sharing my experience about buying a Prius and regardless of my all over bad experince, I'm not judging the Toyota dealers in general. I'm very confident that there are many people here who had a very pleasant experience at their dealerships.

    At the end of the day, it's my call where I spend my money and what car I buy. I would like to own a Prius, no doubts about this, but not at any price and under any circumstances. If I don't feel welcomed and valued as a customer, it's probably best to spend my money somewhere else. We will see how this will turn out at the end...