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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Dano, Aug 12, 2007.

  1. Dano

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    Please bear with me with this post...........

    2 weeks ago I was driving my 07' Touring (2.5k miles) on a surface street in heavy traffic about 35mph when I heard a loud pop followed by what can best be described as a scraping noise like you would get by a dragging muffler/tailpipe (noise varied with speed). I immediatly pulled off into a parking lot to check under the car when the noise stopped as soon as I entered the lot. After checking for something behind the car that may have fallen off I found nothing.

    I took the car to the local dealership within 10 minutes, they put it on the lift and found nothing unusual underneath. I wrote it off to maybe a car next to me blowing a tailpipe and my ears were playing tricks on me. No dash trouble lights came on at all. 2 weeks passed with no more problems.

    Today I started to drive, and the same scraping noise re-appeared from a dead stop this time without the pop I experienced the first time, again with no trouble indicators on the dash (so much for the ears thoery). It too stopped within 1/2 mile or so and all has been fine since (about 80 miles of driving so far).

    This one has me completly stumped, and there is no sense taking it to the dealer till I can replicate the problem for them.

    The only mod I have is a 2 1/4 hitch for a bike rack, and it is OK!

    The only thing I can think of is the tranny or wheel bearings, but they are not going to fix themselves!

    Am I the only one that has experiences this? No help from the search engine that I can find.

    HELP PLEASE..... Any suggestions are welcome and encouraged as I am starting to question my sanity.

    Dano
     
  2. efusco

    efusco Moderator Emeritus
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    Not sure about the 'pop' part, but sometimes a rock can get in the brakes and cause a scraping noise.

    You can't get any idea of a more specific source of the noise?
     
  3. TonyPSchaefer

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    Can you post a picture of the noise next time you hear it?

    I'm sorry; I couldn't help myself.
     
  4. Dano

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Aug 12 2007, 02:33 PM) [snapback]494344[/snapback]</div>
    Evan:

    Wish I could, but the rock thing sounds plausible. The noise is movement/wheel rotation related for sure. Seems like it's the front wheel area though. At first I thought it may have been a limb stuck in the wheel well, but none that I could see.

    Have you (or anyone else) had this happen before? I have beeen driving for more years than I will admit and have never heard of the rock/brake thing. Is this specific to the Prius? If it happens again I will try pumping the brakes (maybe it will cut the rock loose), and shift in to neutral to see if it is in the tranny. At least I can narrow it down somewhat!

    Thanks for your input!

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TonyPSchaefer @ Aug 12 2007, 03:13 PM) [snapback]494361[/snapback]</div>
    Wish it were that easy!
     
  5. efusco

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    sorry, it wasn't to me it happened and I can't be much more specific. You might google search old priuschat threads and see if you can find that particular one. I don't know if it's Prius specific or not, would think not, but who knows.
     
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    This happened to our 2004 around April of that year. We had been inspecting some property my wife owns in Mississippi and had stoped to make a U turn on a country gravel road. Upon starting up a terrible metal sound erupted from somewhere at the front of the vehicle. We were 15 miles from the nearest town and not haveing the Prius more than a few months, thought the worst. Tried driving it again, but, the noise was so bad that we pulled over and called Toyota Road Side Assistance. They sent a flatbed tow truck and hauled it to the nearest dearler 35 miles away. The Toyota dealer called about an hour after receiving the vehicle telling us that a small rock (pea size) had lodged between the disk rotor and dust shield. The dealer indicated that they have had other incidents happen from rocks and disk brakes, but, was a first for a Prius.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(williaeh22 @ Aug 12 2007, 04:48 PM) [snapback]494385[/snapback]</div>

    Williaeh:

    Hmmmm, we may be on to something here. I just find it hard to believe a pea sized rock could make such a ruckus, but apparently it can.

    Thanks for your reply, I feel a little better about it now.

    Seems like Dr. Evan has excellent diagnostic skills as well.

    Thanks to you both for your help!

    Dano
     
  8. FL_Prius_Driver

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    As a follow up note, I had a wheel bearing fail and it definitely did not make scraping noise. It make what could best be described as broadband amplified road noise. Also note that the rear brakes are enclosed but the front calipers are total exposed.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(FL_Prius_Driver @ Aug 12 2007, 05:30 PM) [snapback]494394[/snapback]</div>
    We were driving home the other night and we heard a loud sound, almost as if we were dragging a branch under the car. We stopped for a light, and when we started up again it was gone. We definitely were not dragging anything. We have not heard it since. :wacko:
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(amaranta @ Aug 12 2007, 09:07 PM) [snapback]494435[/snapback]</div>
    Yep, that's exactly what I was referring to in my original post. Sounds like a stuck branch or a dragging tailpipe. I also noticed tonight how the front disk brakes are really exposed compared to most other cars. I quess this would hold up the stone in the brakes thoery.
     
  11. efusco

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    you know you could just jack up each wheel seperately and turn it to see if you can find the 'rub'.
     
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    The thin metal backing plate will act like a speaker to amplify the noise while the stone will be like a stylus on a very bad record as it drags across the brake rotor. Go backwards for a few metres to clear the stone if it happens, may or may not help. Wheel bearings rumble or growl when they fail and yes, they don't fix themselves.

    The thin metal backing plate will act like a speaker to amplify the noise while the stone will be like a stylus on a very bad record as it drags across the brake rotor. Go backwards for a few metres to clear the stone if it happens, may or may not help. Wheel bearings rumble or growl when they fail and yes, they don't fix themselves.
     
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    Speaking as one who spends a lot of time driving on rural roads, your symptom is most probably a stone lodged against the brake rotor. Sometimes if you put the car in reverse and drive for a few meters you can flick the stone back out. If you've driven with it in there for a while, however, this will probably not work (it will stop the noise for a while only to begin again when the stone shifts position). If that's the case, get it removed by a mechanic -- it will score your brake rotor. You and your wallet don't want that.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(samiam @ Aug 13 2007, 04:50 PM) [snapback]494924[/snapback]</div>
    Meh, depends what your noise tolerance is, and also I don't know the thickness of the prius rotor. I've had numerous rocks in the rotors and have been able to throw most out by backing up immediately after lodging them.

    However! On one occasion I lodged a stone and it didn't pop out when I backed up. Being in college and having more need of beer than sitting with my rotor in my lap, I left it there. What will happen is the pebble will score a groove in your rotor. That's it. Unless you have a rock big enough to slice your rotor to a smaller diameter (which wouldn't have fit there in the first place) there's no real reason to remove it. Sure there's a fractional loss in braking power because the rock does not have as good friction as your pad, and you will have to deal with the noise till it seats itself, but if you're limited to a budget (time or money) don't stress yourself out worrying how you're gonna get the money for a pebble-ectomy.

    Couple this with the fact that if your mechanic decides to turn a rotor for a brake job instead of just replacing it (which is way more common these days) you're gonna have the "ectomy" or a new rotor in X amount of miles anyway.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Drago3000 @ Aug 16 2007, 07:37 PM) [snapback]497381[/snapback]</div>
    Huh? Probably not the best advice. Problems are easier to solve when they are little. Sort of like the doctor saying: "It's just a small kidney stone, nothing bad will probably happen."

    The better advice would be a way of getting it out of there without having to go to the dealer.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(FL_Prius_Driver @ Aug 17 2007, 05:14 PM) [snapback]498029[/snapback]</div>
    Well, unless your Prius has the sedimentary rock growing package, (#11 I think?) you're problem (rock) won't get any bigger :-p

    As to how to solve it, like we said, back up immediately, or if that window is already past - take off your caliper and remove the pebble. No medical degree required.
     
  17. FL_Prius_Driver

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Drago3000 @ Aug 17 2007, 08:37 PM) [snapback]498104[/snapback]</div>
    That's much better advice.