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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by hill, Aug 23, 2007.

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  1. Tadashi

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    So far I have seen a bunch of these companies sprout up but no one seems to offer any conversions. I hope they can get their act together so we can convert our Prius. If I get 68ish MPG now I think I could at least triple my fuel economy if I can ever find a company that will actually do the conversion. :( I do like the idea that the system is not altered other than the larger battery, although it would be nice to have a meter on the charger to let you know how much power you used to charge the battery. I am kind of a nut when it comes to tracking my fuel economy.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tadashi @ Aug 25 2007, 12:41 AM) [snapback]501897[/snapback]</div>
    Get a smart-watt. I've got one and it works great. Keeps track of my EBH's power usage at the moment (also helped me discover that the EBH's power cord is an absolute POS).

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alric @ Aug 24 2007, 03:15 PM) [snapback]501668[/snapback]</div>
    hahhaha! NICE!
     
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  3. hill

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tadashi @ Aug 25 2007, 12:41 AM) [snapback]501897[/snapback]</div>
    Errr, so you've used the search tool, and looked really really hard?
    :p

    http://hybrids-plus.com/ht/products.html#ordering

    Since San Diego is Closer, I'll be doing ours there, in stead of Colorado ... as soon as the boss says we have the extra scratch.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hill @ Aug 25 2007, 09:48 AM) [snapback]502012[/snapback]</div>
    Dear god $24K? :eek: What kind of a profit margin are they generating with that pricing?
     
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  5. hill

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tballx @ Aug 25 2007, 02:37 PM) [snapback]502055[/snapback]</div>
    Hey, well at least the ARE making them, even right now. But the 'cost' ?? Therein lies another rub. We all want an electric ride to work, but only want to spend peanuts to get it. But $45k (that'd be my cost for a conversion added to my Prius' cost) or an even higher cost for a vett, or a range rover, or or Lexus hybrid? That's somehow a bargain? How does that pencil out.
     
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    Okay, let me rephrase that. I have not found a company that will do the conversion for a reasonable price. That would be one that is at most half the price of the car MSRP. So yeah the $24k conversion is out of the question. $10k I would consider it, $5k depending on the specs I am game. I would do a $5k conversion that would allow me 30 miles. So far two have advertised close to these specs at the $10k price but both have said it would be available already and their web page still says not ready yet or fleet only.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jk450 @ Aug 24 2007, 06:52 PM) [snapback]501848[/snapback]</div>
    JK, welcome to the forum. Nate stated an opinion and qualified it as such; I have no problem, based on his defense, that he does indeed hold this opinion. If you are interested in conducting research that meets your needs for forming your own opinion, please feel free to post the resulting paper(s) in the Prius Tech area. I think you'll find we are a very accomodating bunch... the work I've posted there has met with statements of thanks and requests for updates if/when more info becomes available on the topic... but no one's actually given me the homework assignment to go conduct/report on research to meet their more rigorous standards.

    At the pioneer pricing of 24-32K, it'd be nice to see more takers, but I'm not one of them, just as I passed on paying import fees for a '98 JDM Prius. At 8-15K, I will be one of them, just as we got our first on 9/2/00 for full MSRP. I'm sure most of us will wait for the prices to drop into the 3-5K range, just as most of us waited several years after '01 to get our first Prius, in part to wait for discounts/incentives/others to prove the cars would be cost-effective to a broader market.
     
    #27 bobdavisnpf, Aug 26, 2007
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    Heh. Ah, the internet. It's good for a smile when someone joins a forum a year after I show up, then extends a paternal "welcome... you'll find us very accommodating" in response to a post. Haven't seen that for a while. But I'm sure your heart is in the right place :)

    Sunday chuckles aside, I haven't made any claims about Nilar batteries as compared to Panasonic EV Energy. If I had verifiable third-party metrics for Nilar, I would. Panasonic's are easy to get. Anyone who makes a claim about the performance or operation of something can expect to be asked about those claims.

    At any rate, I think you have missed the point: as Hobbit comented, this announcement has 'red flag' written all over it. Gushing posts about these vehicles being THE ultimate [PHEV] conversions are great, but given such a strong statement, it's entirely reasonable to ask: why? I'm curious, myself: how does this conversion eclipse EnergyCS, HybridsPlus, Hymotion/A123, OEMtek, and others? That's a fair question.

    Similarly, rave reviews of Nilar batteries are fun to read, but in the end, a battery chemistry must be evaluated - at a minimum - on the basis of verifiable performance data. You know - numbers.

    Nothing wrong with asking for those. Now let's see if we get them.

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bobdavisnpf @ Aug 26 2007, 01:24 PM) [snapback]502384[/snapback]</div>
     
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  9. hill

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jk450 @ Aug 26 2007, 06:26 PM) [snapback]502480[/snapback]</div>
    Hi JK,
    Not sure if the chuckle was for the late "welcome", years after you joined, or because the greeting was given from one who joind a year later than you. In any event, if it's the former, a 2 year belated welcome. I don't know nilar from shinola. I know I was ready to jump into the EV1 when word 1st crept out of it's upcomming release, and that was despite the fact the batteires were lead. Battery chemestry, like digital cameras, phones PC's and the like keep getting better & cheeper. We personally, are blessed enough financially that we CAN afford these 1st articles, so to speek. So we are going to kiss off the fact that our "version" won't be as great, and won't be a bargain. The hope is that when folks who CAN afford the over priced version, DO pony up, it'll make it easier down the road for the medium consumer. As for the skimpy web page? Not that I'm against red flags, per se. But you can critique one's web page design either way. For example, a REAL thief, who was just trying to get your electric car dollars ... wouldn't they naturally want to have THE most superior web site design? Lots of data, bells and whistles ? Damned either way, I'd say. I'm for letting these early innovaters have a little slack, and taking a wait & see approach, as opposed to the knee jerk reaction that a light web page more likely than not, equates to a flim flam artist.
     
    #29 hill, Aug 26, 2007
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