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Daihatsu claims fuel cell advance eliminates need for platinum

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by Wiyosaya, Sep 17, 2007.

  1. Wiyosaya

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Wiyosaya @ Sep 17 2007, 11:19 AM) [snapback]513704[/snapback]</div>
    I could not quite deke out what they were saying. I think they're saying they made a fuel cell that uses rocket fuel as the input, but doesn't need a platinum catalyst. I do not think they were saying that they had a fuel cell using (say) hydrogen or methanol, that did not require a platinum catalyst.
     
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    I quote,
    hydrazine hydrate is...
    " Toxic, and may be fatal, if inhaled, swallowed or absorbed through the skin. Expected to be a human carcinogen. Eye contact may cause serious damage. May cause CNS, eye, liver, kidney and lung damage. Possible sensitizer. Corrosive. Material is very irritating to respiratory tract, even at low concentrations. Typical OEL 0.02 ppm (8h TWA)"

    This makes me feel excited of such progress.
     
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    Makes the [mostly hyped-up] risks of lithium ion batteries look pretty insignificant, eh?
     
  5. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
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    and Daihatsu is partially owned by Toyota
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ceric @ Sep 17 2007, 09:16 AM) [snapback]513741[/snapback]</div>
    That doesn't sound so bad. I would be surprised if gasoline was any safer sounding. And have you seen the MSDS for sand?
     
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    Forget plug-ins, just bolt these SRBs to your Prius... we'll show
    ya the real meaning of pulse and glide.
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  8. ceric

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fibb222 @ Sep 17 2007, 08:48 PM) [snapback]514048[/snapback]</div>
    No sir, here is a comparison of Octane and hydrazine hydrate. You tell me which is worse.
    And, I quote from the same site (for sake of a fair comparison)

    Octane:
    " Harmful if inhaled or swallowed. Respiratory and eye irritant. Typical TLV 300 ppm. Typical STEL 375 ppm. Typical PEL 500 ppm"

    hydrazine hydrate:
    " Toxic, and may be fatal, if inhaled, swallowed or absorbed through the skin. Expected to be a human carcinogen. Eye contact may cause serious damage. May cause CNS, eye, liver, kidney and lung damage. Possible sensitizer. Corrosive. Material is very irritating to respiratory tract, even at low concentrations. Typical OEL 0.02 ppm (8h TWA)"
     
  9. tripp

    tripp Which it's a 'ybrid, ain't it?

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    That doesn't sound promising at all. Getting around platinum is important for scalability/cost but this doesn't sound like the way to do that. Next!
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ceric @ Sep 18 2007, 08:07 AM) [snapback]514279[/snapback]</div>
    Isn't octane just one of many components in Gasoline? Check this out..