Even the French..... Dont want a Nuclear Iran

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(burritos @ Sep 26 2007, 11:04 AM) [snapback]517913[/snapback]</div>

Nice point... lets make it a little clearer. If some people have their way, they'll create a second Holocaust simply by trying to prevent it. Israel is threatened? Remember the Holocaust! We can't let it happen again! Lets kill all of her Arab neighbors to remove this threat to the Jews!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(burritos @ Sep 26 2007, 11:04 AM) [snapback]517913[/snapback]</div>

The people don't make the decisions. I don't think the majority of Iranians want to become a nuclear power or even would want Israel destroyed. The leadership is a different story altogether, I think if given the power, Amhadinejad would inihilate Israel and all of us at the drop of a hat.
Does anyone really think the German and Japanese people wanted to go to war during the 1930's and 40's eventually costing 50-60 million people their lives including many civilians? I would say no, but their leaders obviously had other thoughts and the people were almost powerless to do anything about it.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Devil's Advocate @ Sep 25 2007, 04:56 PM) [snapback]517570[/snapback]</div>

I will agree with DA's above quote, seeing how the penut gallery overlooked the statement completely.

As this is what happened when we turned 9/11/ over to The UN......

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Sep 26 2007, 11:38 AM) [snapback]517932[/snapback]</div>

you apparently missed the apparent "if some people have their way" portion of the statement. On occasions too numerous to count, you have called for attack/war with Arab nations based almost entirely on the fact that they "want to wipe Israel of the face of the earth". As you pointed out, they haven't done this, but people like you calling for these actions proves my point well enough.

 

Didn't Nikita Khrushchev once say he would bury us? Based on that comment and the paranoid thinking going on in this thread, we should have pre-emptively nuked them. After all, he made the threat. Fortunately sane minds prevailed and we didn't let the boogeyman's idle threat force us to take action that would have destroyed mankind as we know.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ Sep 26 2007, 12:07 PM) [snapback]517916[/snapback]</div>

On the flip-side, there's the avoidance of Nuclear War with the Soviet Union during the Cuban Missile Crisis. No shots were fired, and it wasn't any show of force that prevented war. It was negotiations between the Soviet Union and the US.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ Sep 26 2007, 12:07 PM) [snapback]517916[/snapback]</div>

I'm curious if you're talking about the Korean War here (where most of the conflict became a stalemate once China got involved) or if you're pondering a hypothetical (one where China doesn't become involved again).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Sep 26 2007, 12:38 PM) [snapback]517932[/snapback]</div>

You know, I worry when I see a doctor saying he's not smart enough to understand something.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Sep 26 2007, 12:38 PM) [snapback]517932[/snapback]</div>

Are you suggesting that every single German, Japanese & Italian citizen wanted WWII?? :blink:

 

The difference between the Russians and the Islamists is mindset. The Russians were boisturous and made exaggerated claims, but rarely backed them up, usually fighting proxy wars in 3rd worlds nations.

The islamists have already brought the war to our shore and shown a willing ness to strike, regardless of their lives, the heart of America. Russia NEVER commited such an act!

The Iranians are NOT Russian, they actually beliee they are superior to the Russians, given the Iranians take credit for pushing Russia out of Afghanistan. Even though it was our weapons and training the mujahadeen that did it!

 

"Even though it was our weapons and training the mujahadeen that did it!"
And this included Osama Bin Laden, who then turned on us and attacked us on 9/11. NOT IRAN. What a tangled web we weaved!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darwood @ Sep 26 2007, 12:46 PM) [snapback]517983[/snapback]</div>

We also armed Saddam too.

What the hell. They're all brown. Nuke em all.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(burritos @ Sep 26 2007, 09:04 AM) [snapback]517913[/snapback]</div>

You need to spend some time in Tehrangeles. B)

 

"What the hell. They're all brown. Nuke em all."
<Sarcasm>
Yeah! It would prevent another holocaust, right? Oh wait, doesn't exterminating Arabs count as a holocaust? Ahh, who cares, I need to fuel my hummer somehow!
</Sarcasm>

 

Dar, you are correct "factually", but Iran is co-opting the Russians being thrown out as a sign of the power of the people in that region.

Burritos, you're just an idiot or a troll, there is no possible rationale refutation of your statement it is so demented, or ridiculous.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsrAmeriPrius @ Sep 26 2007, 01:01 PM) [snapback]517989[/snapback]</div>

Actually, I know many Iranians who live in America. Many are Jewish business owners and their children are highly successful. Prime examples of what an american immigrants could be. The Iranians I'm talking about are the ones who did not have the means to flee during the fall of the shah, aren't jewsih, and are still in Iran. I'm sure there are many muslim iranians here, but of those, I do not know.

 

"lets talk and talk and talk - and lets not learn from our experienceS with NoKo, India, Pakistan who developed nukes while they talked."

I'm still amazed that Berman is suggesting that we should have bombed NoKo, India, AND Pakistan. As if that would have solved all the problems with no blowback, and no other country would DARE to try to enhance their military power after that.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Devil's Advocate @ Sep 26 2007, 01:06 PM) [snapback]517992[/snapback]</div>

Why, because I'm extending line of thinking of attacking Iran to its logical conclusion? America since being spawned has always ravaged people of color. Or do you not know that you blissful one? I know your limited knowledge of history probably has a list of american wars that include, the revolutionary war(where we were the terrorists btw), the civil war, WWI, WWII, Korea, vietnam, Iraq I and the war on terror, but let me inform you, that list is barely 10%.

Did all these countries want to invade or do america harm? Did we have to fight kill all these people? Try to use your brain for once and think outside of the patriotic BS box and ask if all this killing is necessary? Or is the sixth commandment part of your moral compass?

American Wars
The American Revolution
1775-1783

The Indian Wars
1775-1890

Shay's Rebellion
1786-1787
Rebellion
Anti-(state)Government Rebels vs. Massachusetts

The Whiskey Rebellion
1794
Rebellion
Anti-Tax Rebels in Western Pennsylvania

Quasi-War With France
1798-1800
Inter-State (Naval) War
France

Fries's Rebellion "The Hot Water War"
1799
Rebellion
Anti-Tax Rebels in Pennsylvania

The Barbary Wars
1800-1815
Inter-State War
The Barbary States
(Tripoli, Algiers & Morocco)

The War of 1812
1812-1815
Inter-State War
Great Britain
The Growing & Troubled Republic

Primary Name of Conflict Dates of Conflict
(U.S. Involvement Only)
Type of Conflict Primary Opponent(s)
of the United States

Mexican-American War
1846-1848
Inter-State War
Mexico

U.S. Slave Rebellions
1800-1865
Slave Rebellions
Various Slave groups

"Bleeding Kansas"
1855-1860
Civil War (state of Kansas)
Pro-Slavery vs. Anti-Slavery Kansans

Brown's Raid on Harper's Ferry
1859
Rebellion
Anti-Slavery Rebels (Led by John Brown)

United States Civil War
1861-1865
Civil War
United States (The North)
vs.
The Confederate States (The South)


U.S. Intervention in Hawaiian Revolution
1893
Internal Rebellion & Foreign Intervention

The Spanish-American War
1898
Inter-State War

U.S. Intervention in Samoan Civil War
1898-1899
Civil War & Foreign Intervention

U.S.-Philippine War
1899-1902
Colonial War, War of Imperialism

Boxer Rebellion
1900
Internal Rebellion & Foreign Intervention
Chinese Government & "Boxer" Rebels

The Moro Wars
1901-1913
Colonial Wars
Philippine Muslim Rebels

U.S. Intervention in Panamanian Revolution
1903
Secessionist Revolution & Foreign Intervention
Colombia

The Banana Wars
1909-1933
Civil Wars & Foreign Intervention
Various Rebel Groups In Central America


U.S. Occupation of Vera Cruz
1914
Inter-State War
Mexico

Pershing's Raid Into Mexico
1916-1917
Inter-State, Border War
Mexican Government & Mexican Rebels ("Bandits")

World War I
1917-1918 (American involvement only)
Inter-State War
Germany

Allied Intervention in Russian Civil War
1919-1921
Civil War & Foreign Intervention
Russian Bolshevik (Soviet) Government

World War II
1941-1945 (American involvement only)
Inter-State War
Germany, Japan & Italy

The Cold War
1945-1991
Global Inter-State Cold War
The Soviet Union & Communist China

The Korean War
1950-1953
Inter-State War
North Korea & China

The Second Indochina War "Vietnam War"
1956-1975
Civil War, Inter-State War
North Vietnam & South Vietnamese "Viet Cong" Rebels

U.S. Intervention in Lebanon
1958
Civil War & Foreign Intervention
No real foe for U.S. Troops landed to support Lebanon Gov.

Dominican Intervention
1965
Civil War & Foreign Intervention
Rebels in the Dominican Republic

The Mayaguez Rescue Operation

News Story 1975 (May 15)
Hostage Rescue & Inter-State Conflict
Khmer Rouge Guerrillas (the new government of Cambodia)

Iranian Hostage Rescue "Desert One" or "Operation Eagle Claw"
1980 (April 25)
Hostage Rescue & Inter-State Conflict
Iran

U.S. Libya Conflict
1981, 1986
Inter-State War
Libya

U.S. Intervention in Lebanon
1982-1984
Civil War,Foreign Intervention & Inter-State War
Syria & Various Muslim and Leftist Lebanese Militias

U.S. Invasion of Grenada
1983
Inter-State War
Marxist Grenadian Faction & Cuba

The Tanker War

"Operation Earnest Will"
1987-1988
Inter-State War
Iran

U.S. Invasion of Panama
1989
Inter-State War
Panama

Second Persian Gulf War "Operation Desert Storm"
1991
Inter-State War
Iraq

"No-Fly Zone" War
1991-2003
Inter-State War
Iraq

U.S. Intervention in Somalia
1992-1994
Civil War & Foreign Intervention
Various Somali Militias

NATO Intervention in Bosnia (Operation Deliberate Force) Summary
1994-1995
Civil War,Foreign Intervention & Inter-State War
Bosnian Serb Rebels

U.S. Occupation of Haiti
1994
Foreign Intervention
Haitian Government

U.S. Embassy bombings and strikes on Afghanistan and Sudan (The bin Laden War)
August, 1998
Terrorist Conflict

"Desert Fox" Campaign (part of U.S./Iraq Conflict)
December, 1998
Inter-State War
Iraq

Kosovo War
1999
Civil War, Foreign Intervention & Inter-State War
Yugoslavia/Serbia

Attack on the USS Cole
October 12, 2000
Terrorist Conflict
Terrorists associated with Osama bin Laden

Attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon
September 11, 2001
Terrorist Conflict
Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida organization

Afghanistan War (Operation Enduring Freedom)
October 7, 2001-Present
War against Terrorism
The Taliban and Osama bin Laden's Al-Qaida organization

Third Persian Gulf War "Operation Iraqi Freedom"
March 19, 2003-Present
Inter-State War
Iraq

 

fifth commandment, Burritos.
fifth.

 

Hmm, even atheists can refer to one of the ten commandments when it suits their purposes. Although, being an atheist, he cites the wrong one!

Hilarious.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DelerPrius @ Sep 26 2007, 02:18 PM) [snapback]518058[/snapback]</div>

I don't need a commandment to tell me that killing is wrong. I'm just speaking on a level for you to understand. Without the commandment, you wouldn't know if killing were right or wrong. True or not true.

 

He's not an athiest.
He's an evangelical athiest.
(Giving us agnostics and more rational athiests a bad name)