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Dealer wants $160.00 to program new alarm!

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by mamerica, Oct 20, 2007.

  1. mamerica

    mamerica Junior Member

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    I installed a new VIP alarm system (with glass breakage sensor) in my 2008 Prius. The installation was a piece of cake. The problem is that in order to activate it, it has to be hooked up to a scan tool. I stopped by the dealer yesterday and the service writer told me that they all come with alarms. That was a red flag right there. After coffering with a tech, he said it will cost about $160.00!

    The instructions are very straight forward and any sixth grader with the proper equipment could do it in less than five minutes.

    Is there any way I can do it myself? I'm no rocket surgeon but I am a software engineer. If I knew the commands I'm pretty sure I could get them to the ECU. Does Toyota publish them or do they only publish trouble codes?

    I have a Scanguage II and if need be, I'll buy an ODBII interface for my laptop. I just cannot in good conscious give those SOB's that kind of money for such a trivial task.

    Any suggestions are appreciated very much.

    -Marty
     
  2. statultra

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    160 dollars is a rip off, its simply just going into the scan tool and turning it on, i dont think you can do it with a scangauge or any obd 2 scanner out today, if that were the case i would of already bought one, the toyota handheld tester is proprietary i believe. try another dealer , usually there are some nice people
     
  3. galaxee

    galaxee mostly benevolent

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    call another dealer. most will charge .5 hour for that because it's really freakin' easy.

    that or shell out the $3k for a used one... we'd love to do that ourselves actually.
     
  4. richard schumacher

    richard schumacher shortbus driver

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    It's true, the hardware is in every one of them. Enabling it is the costly option. Dealers are not supposed to do it for free.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(OutOfHere @ Oct 20 2007, 10:38 AM) [snapback]528148[/snapback]</div>
    Sure. Get a sixth grader and a Techstream scan tool ($6,995), once Denso releases it to the public next month. Otherwise, I'm afraid that the so-called SOB is going to want to get a return on their considerable investment. And in my opinion, they are smart to up the charge for a customer install. If there are any installation-related issues, said customer will likely expect the tech to find and correct the issue as part of the service. Right?
     
  6. mamerica

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jk450 @ Oct 21 2007, 10:05 PM) [snapback]528639[/snapback]</div>
    I don't need a lecture. I just wanted to know if there was some way for me to do it myself. No is a perfectly acceptable answer.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(OutOfHere @ Oct 21 2007, 11:54 PM) [snapback]528658[/snapback]</div>
    Actually, you are deserving of a lecture. If you had asked if there was some way to do it yourself, then "no" would have been a perfectly good answer. And that's how I would have replied. But you also started calling strangers names just because they quoted more than you wanted to pay, even though you had no understanding of the problem, or of your role in the problem. Your attitude is very common.

    Many people think that a repair is a good repair, and that the technician is honest, if the cost of the repair is inexpensive compared to their preconception. No kidding - that's their logic.

    I have wasted countless unbilled hours hunting for a problem that was caused by a customer's work. Not one has ever apologized for wasting my time. But you'd better believe that they all want a deal!
     
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    galaxee mostly benevolent

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jk450 @ Oct 22 2007, 02:20 PM) [snapback]528938[/snapback]</div>
    yeah dude, that does suck. i know, my husband has been there too. but there's no reason to take it out on anyone but the customer who did the botched job that screwed you over. (and even then, it's at work, you gotta just suck it up.) EDUCATE others but don't PUT THEM DOWN in the process. it's not the OPs fault that flat rate is a load of crap.

    2 hours is pretty high for that job, and you know it too.
     
  9. mamerica

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jk450 @ Oct 22 2007, 01:20 PM) [snapback]528938[/snapback]</div>
    Perhaps I made some assumptions about how easy of a job this is and I probably should not have resorted to name calling. That being said, I've worked as a professional mechanic myself. I've worked on cars all my life. I am not a hack. I followed the directions to the letter. Let's be honest, this isn't rocket surgery.

    I was at another Toyota dealer in the Twin Cities area buying parts for my wife's car. I asked their service writer what they would charge. He said "Bring it by next week. It'll take about five minutes. I won't charge you anything." I rest my case.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(galaxee @ Oct 22 2007, 02:43 PM) [snapback]528944[/snapback]</div>
    Well, don't forget that the OP called the dealer and the tech SOBs before looking into the matter. It's hard to have sympathy for that kind of knee-jerk reaction. Hell, if you don't like the price, call around, get some comparisons, do a teeny bit of legwork - then, if you must, let it fly on the forums and tell the world that you have proof that these people are consciously ripping you off.

    Two hours is high for that job, but what happened the last time the dealer programmed a customer-installed module or part? Did the vehicle have a hidden aftermarket accessory that the customer failed to mention, which interfered with a clean reprogram? And so on. Perhaps that is influencing the quoted labor.

    And what was the OP's attitude at the dealership? If it was the same as displayed here, the tech may have quoted a high price just to get him to go away. Sadly, sometimes that's all that's left to do.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(OutOfHere @ Oct 22 2007, 03:02 PM) [snapback]528954[/snapback]</div>
    I briefly considered getting an alarm installed on my Prius when I first got it but it's difficult to imagine anyone stealing it. The insurance company gave a paltry savings on my rates that barely registered on my bankometer and if they're breaking in to steal something, they'll be gone before the cops can get there so what's the point? Then there's the damn thing going off at the worst times. It's more of a nuisance than I'm willing to put up with but that's just me, I'm a different kind of cat. :)
     
  12. mamerica

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    I've been thinking about this. When I read the responses from jk450, I was surprised and a bit miffed. I mean this guy doesn't know what my skill level is. But I have changed my mind. jk450 is right. I started thinking about the software company I work for. I occasionally help out in the tech support department. Many times we will work for hours on a problem just to find out that the customer did something that they shouldn't have done and neglected to tell us about it. They never apologize either. Even worse, we charge over $400.00 per year whether you need support or not. That on top of the original price of over $4,000.00.

    So, my apologies to everyone that thought I was being too harsh. I was. Next time I'll try to think a bit more before I go off on a tirade.
     
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  14. richard schumacher

    richard schumacher shortbus driver

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    He was using a new metaphor. I liked it!

    And he wins my admiration for actually re-examining his actions and discovering that there was a better way. Would that we would all do that when needed.