HCH v. Prius Pricing

There is no similar Honda to a Prius, the Prius is a full hybrid while the honda is a paralel hybrid which can never be driven on electric only.

 

I have found edmunds.com to be fairly accurate for current pricing.(TMV)
http://www.edmunds.com/

They also will get dealers to send you ebids, which is an excellent starting point for negotiations. The salesperson edmunds have given my email address to were consistantly lower than the Costco salesperson.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(william hung @ Oct 23 2007, 01:22 AM) [snapback]529175[/snapback]</div>

Not that this matters, but are you the american idol william hung? If yes, welcome to the board and hope you join the celebrity list of Prii owners.

 

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It is this mis-information and statements that always amaze me.

Are you talking about a 2003-2005 HCH or are you talking about the latest generation HCH (2006-2010)?

I guess, I and many like myself must be crazy if I can drive the darn cars in "electric only" for a couple of miles. And please, do us all a favor and define the term "full-hybrid" as provided by a recognizable and authoritative source.

UPDATE: The absence of a clutch between MG and the ICE is NO longer the main criteria that defines a "mild hybrid" anymore.


Now, are the two cars comparable on the basis of other factors? Probably not. One is a compact the other is a mid size. One has a better hybrid architecture, the other has a different architecture. One has more cargo space the other does not. And so on and so on.

Cheers;

MSantos

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MSantos @ Oct 24 2007, 12:04 PM) [snapback]529808[/snapback]</div>

According to whom?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsrAmeriPrius @ Oct 24 2007, 03:28 PM) [snapback]529872[/snapback]</div>

The mechanical engineering faculty at our local university. We've further refined the delivery material to include a more accurate and current representation of today's available hybrid architectures.

To remain accurate the HCH-II is not a "mild hybrid" either. The proper designation should be a "Power Assist Hybrid" which is one step "below" the strong hybrid (also called full hybrid) exemplified by Toyota's HSD. Adding to this, the HCH-II further blurs the definition since it can run on electric power alone (also my basis of contention) which often prompts some in the media to consider the HCH-II a full hybrid (which is clearly incorrect since it does not meet all of the architectural pre-requisites for this classification).

Degrees of hybridization:
* Full hybrid (HSD)
* Power assist hybrid (IMA)
* Mild hybrid (BAS)
* Plug-in hybrid


Cheers;

MSantos

 

In my experience, a new HCH costs about the same as a new Prius. I priced both at local dealers about a week ago. The HCH still has a tax write off. However, the HCH lacks traction control, stability control, and a hatchback. Differences that, IMO, make the Prius a much better buy. The Prius is a true full hybrid while the Civic is not quite there. Both offer excellent fuel economy. The Prius has a better reliability record (its planetary gear set is a huge plus for reliability) and is in much higher demand versus the HCH. As far as resale value goes, the Prius has no equal in the Toyota line, so it will have a high resale. On the other hand, the HCH has to compete directly with the regular Civic LX/EX in the resale market, which could hurt its value somewhat.

 

if you still care, I payed 25k out the door for civic including gps and auto dim mirrors. So thats about 22.7k without tax.

 

We just paid $24,000 including tax, title and license for a 2008 HCH navi. To get a Prius with navigation, we would have had to pay about $5,000 more, and no tax benefit. You can argue the mechanicals on each, but the bottom line is the Prius will probably get about 5MPG more in mixed driving, and mileage on the highway will probably be a wash with the HCH. Not enough to make up for $7,000! The big killers on the deal on the Prius outside of the cost, were the horrible seats, and the ride. Since we have a pickup, the hatch and larger volume in the Prius was a non-player for us.