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How much energy do we consume, driving?

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by Pinto Girl, Nov 7, 2007.

  1. Pinto Girl

    Pinto Girl New Member

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    I don't know the answer to this, yet, but (in the meantime) I was wondering if anyone does.

    What percentage of the total energy used in our daily lives is consumed in the manufacture, shipping, and consumption of all the goods we use, heating our homes and our water, etc...and what percentage of that is used by driving our personal cars?


    I'm sure it varies, but I suspect that driving doesn't consume nearly as much as we think it does...it's just lots more obvious, and one of the only times we pay for energy directly.

    Once again, I'm beginning to realize that driving is only ONE consumerist decision we make (I know, aren't I quaint and naive, and I'm sharing it with y'all, too!)...there are hundreds or thousands of others.

    Maybe not buying bottled water in those little plastic bottles actually does more to help the Planet than choosing a more economical automobile...? That's kind of cool, I think, *if* it happens to be true.

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    And, even *if* it doesn't...

    ...the "thoughtless" choices which I make every day are really lots of opportunities to cause at least a teeny-tiny positive impact.

    I mean, how badly do I need to place a super-sized inflatable Santa and reindeer, all flying in a equally large airplane (complete with spinning propeller!!) on my (fertilizer intensive) lawn?

    I don't have a lawn, and I'm not spending hard-earned money on this, either.

    I was just at the office supply store...small, $0.79 spiral bound notebooks are MADE IN CHINA?!? Question: How urgent is my need to scribble my shopping list? Will a sick patient die if I don't? Will an airplane crash and kill scores of people? Will Freedom and Liberty come crashing down?

    Of course not. So I don't buy it.

    Actually, if we keep buying the foreign made crap and overspending ourselves, the answers to the last question may be, "yes...freedom and liberty WILL come crashing down."

    Reading about international Sovereign Funds, and how foreign investors (investing on behalf of their governments) are no longer happy with the 5% return of US Government Bonds...preferring instead to invest directly in the private sector (here and abroad).

    What, I wonder, might that do to the fiscal health of the USA if Bonds backed *by our country itself* are no longer seen as good investments...?

    Worse: what if all this cash leaves our country entirely, for emerging markets in other countries? This is the current trend. How will we finance our overspending habits in that case?
     
  2. daniel

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinto Girl @ Nov 7 2007, 09:45 AM) [snapback]536212[/snapback]</div>
    There is a feedback loop keeping foreign money here, but that feedback can reverse, and when it does the effects will be rapid and catastrophic. For the present, foreign investors know that pulling out of an investment causes the value of that investment to fall. So there is a strong incentive to keep their money in U.S. government bonds, which have traditionally been safe, though low-yield. They need to leave their money here to protect the value of that same investment.

    However, once a run on U.S. government bonds begins, and their value begins to fall, there is an equally-strong incentive for investors to pull all their money out to salvage what they can before the crash.

    We are teetering on the brink and our leaders are unwilling to take the measures needed to shore up our economy, and the public is unwilling to make the lifestyle changes that would strengthen our economy. In particular, our savings rate is too low. I think it may even be negative. Both the public and the government are borrowing at record rates and spending money they don't have on things they don't need, thereby going deeper and deeper into debt. The risk is bankruptcy. When an individual goes bankrupt life goes on. When a government goes bankrupt the result is economic chaos and everybody suffers horribly.
     
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    I read somewhere that a vegetarian Hummer owner produces less CO2 than a meat eating Prius owner. I wonder if they exist, vegetarian Hummer owners...
     
  4. mojo

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    I have a friend who rants about SUV owners.But then flies around the world many times a year .
    Yes a jet is 50 mpg per passenger, but your talking 25,000 miles per trip.
     
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    I don't know if anyone has run the numbers on the "micro" level and looking at an individual's use ... I suspect it varies greatly. But in a "macro" view we can see that about half our oil use is for transportation (43 to 66% in the Google search I did). So better fuel economy would help with half of our oil use.

    On the carbon front, I think it gets more complicated. Much of our electricity is generated by burning coal, so electricity could top gasoline as a "carbon emitter".

    Maybe if you add up all the energy use in the US and divide by the population, then compare that number to the total gasoline sold divided by the population.
     
  6. Pinto Girl

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mojo @ Nov 7 2007, 08:00 PM) [snapback]536450[/snapback]</div>
    A friend of mine, just tonite, invited me to come to Maui for a visit...but I'm actually thinking of not going 'cause it seems like kind of an indulgence to fly all that way on a whim... doesn't it...?

    [sigh]

    I don't know how to explain it to him, though. Really, short of telling an absolute lie, I don't know what to say.
     
  7. Rae Vynn

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    You can always buy carbon credits to offset your flight.
    Seriously, I'd go to Maui :D

    Also seriously... yes, it can be overwhelming. No, I don't think that any one person will "save the Earth"... however, I think that a single person, making a positive choice, will make an impact. You make one, and then someone else makes one, and this continues, and the cumulative affects are astonishing.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinto Girl @ Nov 7 2007, 08:32 PM) [snapback]536570[/snapback]</div>
    Ask him to take you to Mexico instead, or The Bahamas. Hawaii is greatly over-rated in my opinion. I didn't much care for it. Caveat: I was on the Big Island. I don't know Maui.
     
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    There are a few calculators out there to compute your personal energy usage and carbon footprint. Here's one, you can google for others:

    http://www.bp.com/carboncalculator.do

    When I did mine, my total footprint was 32 tonnes CO2 a year, of which 18 was just air travel, since I fly a lot for work. The remaining 14 tonnes was about evenly split between household (8) and ground transportation (6).

    This calculator is very approximate, but the overall ratios are probably pretty close.