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Okay. So now the phone doesn't work.

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by Godiva, Dec 2, 2007.

  1. Godiva

    Godiva AmeriKan Citizen

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    I fix the furnace and now the phone lines in my house don't work.

    I'm ready to cry.

    I don't have time for this.

    We had a bad storm with driving rain on Friday. Saturday there was static on the line. There's a splice on the northeast corner of the house to extend the phone line into the garage. I didn't do it. But I've gone out there to cut and scrape and reconnect the wires before to clear the line. So that's what I did. It was fine Saturday.

    More wind and possibly rain Saturday night. I don't know. I was sleeping but it's wet outside.

    Today the phone line is dead.

    I don't have time to deal with this. I have to update my webpage for my master's class.

    So tomorrow I'm calling the phone company. But they'll only deal with the outside stuff. They will not deal with anything inside the house. I'm not even sure they'll tell me what the problem is.

    Anyone have any idea why my phone would suddenly go dead? I have no cordless phones. I checked the line outside and it appears to be fine coming to the house and going under to the box.

    Maybe there's a problem on the telephone pole in the alley?
     
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    Disclaimer: I only have experience with electrical wiring, not phone wiring, so my opinion has limited value.

    It sounds like some water came in contact with the line and shorted it out. The wire was probably already damaged (you said you've had problems before) and the short finally finished off the remaining working parts of the line.

    Or you could be lucky and there is only a temporary short between the phone line and another metal object caused by leaking water. If that's the case, the problem might fix itself as soon as things dry out around here.

    (Look at the bright side; at least you got your furnace working in time for this latest cold snap.)
     
  3. Godiva

    Godiva AmeriKan Citizen

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    Called phone company.

    The line is completely dead.

    There is no way to test it using their website helpful hints or their phone helpful hints because I have no network interface box.

    You wouldn't believe the archaic stuff I have.
     

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    What happens if you call from your cell phone the home number?
    - busy signal or ringing signal?

    a busy signal might indicate a "faulty" line (shorted, grounded etc)
    a ringing signal most probably indicates an open (disconnected) line.

    Have you tried the ATT 800 750 2355 or 877 722 3755 numbers - most of the time they can run line diagnostics and auto dispatch a tech.

    Edit:
    The Network Interface Box is what the picture shows.
    You could test the line if you have a spare phone extension wire ( one with small plastic connectors at both ends)
    Plug one end to a phone and, after cutting off the connector at the other end, strip the red and green wires about 2 inches.
    Wrap the wires to the two posts at the box (top side where the same color wires go)
    If the line is working and there is no short in the house wiring you should her a dial tone.
     
  5. Godiva

    Godiva AmeriKan Citizen

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    My parents say when they call me they get a busy signal.

    I had to call them as I couldn't use their website (it sucks and the pages don't work properly) and none of the numbers in the phone book are correct for reporting my dead phone. So I called 411 and eventually got a live person. After 10 min. of punching buttons on their stinking phone tree. So she runs a test and tells me it looks like the line. And sets up an appointment for Wed. between noon and 4. Exactly the same time I'm teaching a staff inservice it took me 8 months to set up. I'm not canceling the inservice.

    So now I have to have my parents wait in my filthy house that I don't have time to clean because I'm busy fixing the furnace and the phone line when I should be updating my master's paper website. Which I'm doing right now in between posts.

    You know what? Don't miss the phone. No one calls me except telemarketeers or my mother who checks to see if I'm coming for dinner on Sunday night and to discuss the menu. She can do that by e-mail.

    BTW I feel sorry for anyone using a dial up modem or who has no computer at home. You can't call the phone company to tell them the phone doesn't work and you can't go on line to report the phone doesn't work. Either way...you're s¢rewed.
     
  6. TheAnnoyingOne

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    OK - time for a deep breath (has a calming effect)

    The box is on the outside of the house and I assume that is accessible from the street (no locked gates or such). In this case the phone tech will find it, check the line and if its not an in-house short will fix it and leave some note on your door. You don't have to be at home.
     
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    ROFLMAO Thats the best post ever!! Yeah dammit cancel the hard-line phone service and just use a cell phone. So many are doing that these days. As the services offered are better than what the hard-line companies are offering...
     
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    The first thing to try is to connect a working phone to the red and green wires on that interface box. Most any drug store has a phone jack that plugs into a phone, and inside that jack are red and green wires than can be connected.

    There's not much that you can do to the wiring to damage anything, but you do need to be aware that there is about 100 volts on the wires when the phone rings. I've fiddled with the phone wiring bare handed, but it would really be safer to use gloves. The old rotary dial phones actually short the two connections together, so that's entirely safe as far as the equipment is concerned.

    If a technician comes out, try to get a modern interface box installed. That way you'll be able to plug in any phone with a modular plug into the interface box. If the phone works at the interface box, then the line is working ok. If it doesn't, then either the phone or the line is bad.

    Out of about a half dozen times that I've had a phone outage, the problem has been the phone line every time. Usually a problem at the connection box at the end of the street, but once it was squirrel damage up on the pole.
     
  9. sparkyAZ

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    Godiva,

    Based on my *limited* knowledge of the phone system (I'm an EE not a phone tech), here is my 2c.
    Depending on how old your house is, you may have carbon element surge suppressors installed on the incoming lines to your house. These are designed to absorb transient voltages on the phone line and divert them to ground. The problem is over time they become resistive causing static in the line and eventually fail causing the line to go dead after they short out. They look like a .22 shell with a 5/16" hex cap on the end. They just turn into a metal holder inside the box. They would be located at the telco service entrance to your house, inside the box where the lines branch from the service entrance to your house. I attached the best picture I could find, sorry about the quality. They are to the left of the orange tool shown in the photo. If you can find them, unscrew them with a 6 point hex socket and check your line. If they are the problem you will get your dial tone back after you remove them. It should be ok to leave them uninstalled until the phone guy gets there (assuming you don't have any lightning storms nearby).
     

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    Using Cell Phone as home phone

    For what it's worth, my uncle was asking me about using his cell phone as his home phone as HyCamGuy mentioned (ie. switching his home phone number to his cell, then being able to use the regular home phones to dial out from the cellphone and having the home phones ring on an incoming call). There is a docking station that will do this, called the Dock-N-Talk from PhoneLabs. You ditch your landline service, buy one of these gadgets, plug one end into a phone jack in your house and the other end into your cellphone and voila - your cellphone now controls your home phone! The problem is it is not compatible with fax machines or computer modems (due to cell network signalling), so if you are using a dial-up internet connection it wouldn't work for you.

    Here's the manufacturer's website:
    http://www.phonelabs.com/
    They are about $115 at this vendor:
    http://www.shoppingtelecom.com/shopcontroller/ShopRequestAdaptor.php?REQUEST01=4
    000&REQUEST02=4003&catid=&afid=3&itemid=3465
     
  11. Godiva

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    I've already bought an interface box on eBay.

    It will cost me $55.00 or more to have the phone company install one. And as I understand it, even though I'm paying for it it will still belong to them and I'll have limited access. If I do it myself (not hard) *I* will own all of it and have access to all of it.

    I agree, I think the problem is probably where the line connects to whatever it is on the pole in the alley. We had really driving rains and winds Friday night and then to a lesser degree Saturday night. If it isn't there it's in the box, which currently is still their responsibility.

    Once I replace the box I doubt there will be any problems from the house inward. Most of the problems are going to be on that pole in the alley.
     
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    Don't know if Godiva's problem has resolved itself, but... If you have DSL service and it is raining, somewhere along the way to the Central Office, your line could be completely waterlogged. The symptoms that were described have happened to my DSL connection from time-to-time and each time, it was a water-logged circuit. I even watched the repairman one time. They pulled a cable concentrator out of an underground connection point and it was full of water. The repair involved removing the connectors to my line, replacing the connectors with some new connector that has silicone gel in it (to seal out the water) and then dropping the whole thing (cable concentrator) back into the water-filled connection point. This routine happens about every 4-6 years. The good news is that the repair is on the phone company's dime, since the failure happens before the line terminates at the house. The bad news is that the phone company doesn't want to acknowledge that they have a problem. But if your line is completely down, they can't blame internal wiring. (Especially if you tell them you have disconnected everything from the line....)

    Switching to cellular-only for voice is certainly an option if you have a real strong cellular signal. However, for data, the speed of the connection is still a bit on the slow side (500 - 600 kbps down/100 - 120 kbps up vs. 4 - 5 mbps down/700 kbps up).
     
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    Nope.

    I have a cable modem and DSL through the TV cable company. That is all fine. Thank goodness I can e-mail.

    I called the phone company today to try to get a time certain for when they would arrive between noon and 4. Turns out....they're not. It seems that several hundred people in my area have no phone. It's a problem with one of the phone company's cables and they're not going to be knocking on my door to check my line. By the time I got home they had orange cones down the length of the cross street, a truck was going up to the top of the pole on the alley and they were jackhammering the street to dig down to something.

    I still don't have any phone service but at least I know it's not just me.

    I will be replacing my old box with a new one, if for no other reason than the new one is much more weatherproof than the old. After I get it in, I may consider crawling under the house yet again to set up a jack in the cabinet where all of the cable stuff is in case I want to go with digital telephone through the cable company in the future. Of course, the downside is if there is a blackout....the phone won't work. Of course right now I ahve power, cable and computer....but no phone.

    6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

    In the mean time...I really don't miss the phone at all.
     
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    cell phones are great. we haven't had a land line in nearly 4 years. we got so fed up with the phone company that we never looked back.
     
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    Okay. Whatever. The computer works through the TV cable and I had to get a box of some kind.
     
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    This is what happened to my inlaws this week, with the power outages. They have their phone through their cable/internet company, and they had no phone for 4 days, which was very tough for older people with limited mobility!
    We have always kept one phone that doesn't require electricity to work, and it has been very handy this week! The cellphone worked okay, but several of the cell towers came down in the storm, and the cell battery doesn't last long, and with no electricity to recharge, that's an issue, too.
    [That was just my 2 cents]
     
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    Godiva,
    Have you thought about going with VoIP service? Vonage is one of the more popular, your phone service goes through your broadband connection, service seems quite good.
     
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    Isn't there a problem with 911 calls not working as well in some areas...? That used to be an issue, anyway, but maybe no longer.

    Besides, I guess I'm old fashioned; there's something about a land line that says "home" to me.
     
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    A cell phone will *never* have the voice quality, warmth, and
    immediacy of a landline. The "digital garblies" and high noise
    cutoff floor and the goddam *DELAY* of cellphones is still almost
    intolerable to me. Unfortunately people in the early days of
    cellphones didn't vote with their wallets and say "we won't accept
    this crap you call audio" and force them all to put some honest
    work into it. You can do a lot in an 8Khz channel, but for
    some reason the cell providers totally dropped the ball.
    .
    _H*