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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by Rest, Apr 24, 2007.

  1. Rest

    Rest Active Member

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    I have posted this in other forums and threads but still don't have an answer.

    I have a terrible squeak in the passenger seat when it is not used and the temps are cool. I think I have found about where it is coming from but I can't figure out how to take the side of the seat apart. The plastic cover has one area that uses a clip that you can't pop out. Others have just broke it off but I would rather not do that. I wonder what dealerships do? I believe two separate plastic parts are rubbing under the plastic cover. The squeak is so annoying it is driving me nuts. I would rather not let dealership service goons touch my vehicle as they allows seem to scratch things up or forget to install screws and bolts. I am sure I can fix the issue if I can get to it.

    I need your help here folks.
     
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    I have the same problem- I put a piece of folded paper in between the two plastic parts that were rubbing, and the sound went away. Every once in a while the paper falls out, but i just stick it back in and it's good for another month.
     
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    Well my squeak is not from the plastic cover on the side of the seat as I had thought. It is inside, behind the seat fabric. Of which I can't figure out how to get into.
     
  4. bobc

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    I know how annoying those squeaks can be...

    Take the time to sit in the rear passenger seat while someone drives to nail down right where the squeak is coming from. Then, at the very least, take the seat out of the car and turn it upside down much of the seat is exposed when it's upside down. It's real easy to take the seat out. There's just the 4 bolts which are 12mm in size, I think.

    I've been wanting to write it up for awhile on how to take seats apart but haven't had the time yet. Let me offer a few thoughts which hopefully, will ease any trepidation....

    The plastic pieces that cover the rear bolts behind the seat just pop off. You can do this with your fingers. To remove the piece closest to the outside of the car, pry the piece to spread the two sides out. This will release the small claws. In other words, grasp the piece from underneath with your fingers and pull in opposite directions. The plastic piece up against the drive liine hump pops off by similarly prying it apart. But pry up and down on this one. A short extension on the 12mm socket helps in removing this bolt.

    Remove the rear bolts first, then slide the seat backwards and remove the front bolts. Place some rags around the ends of the rails where you removed the bolts from and tape them up. This is so you won't scratch the car when you removed the seat and it allows you to put the seat down when it's halfway out of the cra to take a break or reposition yourself. Wrapping these makes it a lot easier than when you try to just take the seat out, knowingt that you can't put it down or you'll scratch something.

    Flip the seat over and see if you can lubricate or tape up or do whatever it takes to get rid of the squeak. If it's uunder the material, the bottom of the seat back or the rear of bottom cushion are mere clipped to the springs. You can pop these off with your fingers to view more of the seat.

    If the squeak is related to the outside plastic trim, it is a pain to remove it. But, here's how: I should note that no one has found a good way to do this. The Toyota Repair manual doesn't spell it out... You can do this one of two ways: The first is with brute force and just pull on the front end of the plastic piece until the plastic clip slides out of the metal slot that holds it. The plastic piece is still attached at the rear of the seat but you'll be able to swing it away from the seat and do what you need to do the get rid of the squeak. Remember to pop the side of the plastic piece outward first to disengage the clip that pops into the metal frame about 1/3 of the way down the seat... I find that it also takes less force to get the plastic clip back into the metal slot.

    The other way is to remove the Phillip's screw at the rear of the plastic trim. Then, the trick is to unlatch the plastic claw that holds the two plastic trim pieces together. The second plastic piece is the one that covers over the inside pivot point and the spring where the seat back meets the seat bottom. This is the clip from hell. There's no good way of unclipping this. I did find that the last time I took my seats apart, I found the easiest way of doing this: Pry the outside plastic trim away in the vicinity of the spring and look down inside of it (This is with the seat upside down on the workbench). Look around and see where the plastic claw is. The claw is on the small piece of trim that covers the inside pivot point. The outside trim has the female end. Insert a standard, average-sized screwdriver into the female slot from the inside trim piece side. Torque it to make the female slot bigger. Once it's large enough, the claw will slip out and the oustide plastic trim will just pop off the seat. The will be some deformation of the plastic clip, but it you take your time, it won't be detrimental. It all goes back together super easy...

    The way that most people remove the trim the first time is to remove the one Phillip's screw that is holding the inside small trim piece in place. This will be obvious when the seat is upside down. Removing this screw is a PITA. You'll see what I mean if you try it... Once this screw is removed, people will just pry the two plastic pieces apart to get them off of the seat. This really deforms the plastic claw..

    This sounds bad, but at least, take the seat out (It's easy) and have a look around underneath and hopefully, you can solve the issue without haveing to take the plastic trim piece off.

    Cheers,
     
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    If only there were pictures of removing the seat side plastic piece.
     
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    I would suggest taking it to the dealer.

    After all, it's what you paid for. Right?

    If they mess it up, make them fix it. Take digital
    pictures of everything before taking it in though.

    And don't let galaxee hear you call the techs goons. :mellow:

    She might do some genetic modulation on you in her chem lab. :p
     
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    My 05 Prius had a real bad squeek. I finally traced it down to one of the rear seats. I noticed that I could pull the rear seats forward without pressing and releasing the locking mechanism for the rear seat releases to lay flat. I slammed the seats back into there normal position until they finally locked in, noise gone. I hope its that easy for you. The squeek drove my wife crazy until I figured this one out.
    Sure hope it works for you.

    Dave
     
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    Here's an acrobat file of the TSB Toyota put out for this a while back.

    I've got the leather seats in mine and it's getting worse and worse, but I too am hesitant to take it in...I feel like plastic assemblies and interior parts are particularly vulnerable to breakage from disassembly and reassembly.

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    The TSB doesn't help me much as my seat noise is not in the lower part of it, it is on the side. All I need to do is get that side plastic cover off and I am sure I can find the exact source of the noise.

    I refuse to take any more of my cars to a dealership for service, they are idiots. I am sick of them causing more damage to my cars and forgetting bolts/screws.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rest @ May 1 2007, 02:42 AM) [snapback]433106[/snapback]</div>
    I think I'd address the issue in the TSB first before taking things apart on your own and freelancing the repair without a shop manual or any other information.

    You probably already know this, but sometimes noises are difficult to track down; the TSB details the source of noise that is in the near vicinity of where you think *your* noise is coming from...I do not know, but to me the TSB would be a logical place to start.

    Otherwise, there's lots of information online; isn't there a subscription service where you can download all the tech information on the Prius, or any other Toyota model...? I think you subscribe by either the day or the month and from what I remember, in a day you can cover a LOT of ground.

    Honestly, and don't take this the wrong way, but I'm feeling like, if one is unable to find the information how an assembly goes together in the first place, then one is also likely to end up breaking something and potentially making it worse/more expensive to replace.

    IMHO, plastic assemblies like this in automobiles are like puzzles, and extremely vulnerable to mistreatment. Either by the dealer...or by you!

    Maybe it's just me, but I've broken my share of plastic tabs and fasteners when trying to do things like this with no information.

    How about another strategy: find a more competent dealer?
     
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    No offense but I am very handy at tracking down noise sources in my vehicles. I can tell you one thing, the noise I am having is no where near the location this TSB addresses.

    As for finding a good dealership service department, that is laughable. They just don't exist. Maybe if one knows nothing about vehicles, then I could see how one might think a certain dealership is good. I always check my vehicles after a service and can tell you they are sloppy and forget to replace many parts. But if you don't know what you are looking for then how would you know I guess. Blindly trusting a service department doesn't make them good.
     
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    So, you think I, specifically "don't know what I am looking for" when it comes to well done service on an automobile...? You may not be implying this, but it's what I'm inferring from what you wrote.

    Oh, and you're an expert? Heck, you're the one who can't even figure out how to take off a plastic trim piece without begging for more information!

    Your opinions are wrong, pure and simple. About me, and about the competence of dealer service personnel.

    I think your negative attitude towards these mechanics is reprehensible; further, that your presuppostion of poor service is in fact a self-fulfilling prophecy.
     
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    No need to be insulted. I didn't mean to come off as rude, sorry if I did.

    I was just trying to say that I have never had a good dealership service department experience and really don't want them touching my new car. Everytime and I mean everytime I have ever taken a new car to a dealership they ended up scratching something or forgot to install parts. I would end up noticing missing items months later, when it is hard to prove they were the reason. Once a dealership dented a wheel center cap and tried to say it was already there. I about blew up. The replacement they finally got me never really matched. So unless it is a major warranty repair item I'll pass on using a dealership.

    There is one clip on the side plastic part that not one person online (so far) has found a way to unclip without breaking it. I think this clip was not designed to be reusuable, for whatever reason. All the rest of the attachments to this part are easy to take off.

    Again I am sorry if I insulted you. But again that TSB is for the squeaking noise from the bottom of the seat. My noise is definately on the side in where the fabric attaches to the frame.
     
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    I finally found a way to take the side plastic panel off the seat without breaking that one clip!

    Unfortunately I broke the clip before finding the solution. :(

    The cover that the clip is attached to has a screw on the lower seat side. Remove that screw and you can take both covers off together without having to break the clip.
     
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    sorry to read that you broke the piece.

    As for removing the screw and taking both pieces off at the same time, this is how I did it the first time. This method actually torques the plastic pieces more with the possibility of deforming portions of the plastic parts that are visible once the seat is put back together again...

    Cheers,
     
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    I had that exact same squeak, from the same plastic trim piece. I started getting the squeak only after the three-tone leather was put in. The remedy for me was flexing the seat back and forth many times (you'll notice it goes away with the seat flattened out backwards) and then heating and flexing the plastic a bit inwards.

    ~ dan ~
     
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    My seat noise never went away by putting the passenger seat reclined back.

    It seems to be gone now though after putting electrical tape inside the areas under the trim that rubbed on the seat hinge.
     
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    I'm glad I found this forum. I purchased my 2008 Prius a week ago and my passenger seat is squeaking! The symptoms are exactly as this thread describes it. It squeaks when it's cool outside and I live in San Antonio, Texas, so I hear the squeak in the early cool mornings.

    I'm glad to have print out this thread and the TSB to show to the dealer, as the Toyota dealer didn't believe me. The Toyota Repair Service Shop has never seen/heard of this problem so I'm glad I showed him the TSB. I even showed him the pictures I found on this thread so thank you for posting that. Hopefully he can fix the problem as my car is definatley under warranty. My dealer and Repair Service is Alamo Toyota.

    Any information or advice would be appreciated
     
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    There is a TSB that is specific to this issue. I just picked up a used 2006, and needless to say it has this squeak type noise that originates from the passenger seat. The TSB lists revised interior trim pieces that should address the issue. I'll try to locate the TSB so that I can post it here for everyone who is still under warranty and want to get this fixed.