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Lexus ES 350 - PLEASE talk me out of this!

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by mhawkin1, Dec 9, 2007.

  1. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
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    Yeah.. I mean ideally two cars would be great (if you can afford it). The Prius as the DD and for, you know, most of the duties.

    The Lexus if you're attending a function (although the Prius will probably get you just as much cred at the valet/front door) or just the days you feel like wafting along in Lexus luxury.
     
  2. Sufferin' Prius Envy

    Sufferin' Prius Envy Platinum Member

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    Two words:
    Premium Fuel. :eek:
     
  3. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
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    The ES can be run on regular fuel. The engine is IDENTICAL to the Camry V6. The Camry V6 runs on regular and produces 268hp. The ES runs on premium and gets 272hp. Whether that extra 4hp is worth it is up to you.
     
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    For what it is worth.......

    I've got a Lexus ES330 (and '07Prius), The Lexus is a nice car and rides smoooth, Good for the Interstate. My wife likes it better.

    The Prius, likewise is a great car. I use mine for short trips.

    But !!! But !!!... the Super thing about the Lexus is the Lexus Service. It is just beyond belief.

    There is no screwing around , scams etc like the other dealers. In my area (Little Rock) if service takes over an hour and a half, they give you a new Lexus loaner car to drive.

    The waiting rooms are plush.....food and drink provided.

    Just awsome service. It costs alittle more (maybe) but definately worth it(in my opinion)

    Check it out before you buy !!!!
     
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    I don't know how you define "a little more", but if I remember correctly, when my friend's Lexus RX went in for 7500 service, it was $187. The 15K costed him $400+. The former only consists of oil change, lube, tire rotation and X-point inspection. 60K service could cost you nearly $2000 easily. Those nice loaners come with a cost out of your pocket. I have owned 540 BMW for 9 years, luxury vehicles are over-rated.
    A final note, I would never buy another vehicle that "drink" premium gas. Thank you for the couple of extra horse power. But, no thanks.
    Just my humble opinion.
     
  6. mhawkin1

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    With all due respect, you cannot compare Lexus and BMW with relation to service or gas mileage (especially a 540!). J I ordered my mother a BMW a few years back (my father will not step foot in a foreign dealership, but she thought it was 'cute' so I had to due the deed) and I had to take the car in for service and 'issues.' It was in the shop 10 times prior to 10k miles. What a nightmare; but what great handling! I had a LS 400 when I graduated college and it was trouble free and you could have it serviced at the Toyota dealership if you preferred.
     
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    fruzzetti Customization-Obsessed

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    Partly as protest against the disgusting trend we call American consumerism, I will not own a luxury brand automobile. I'd rather take my Toyota branded vehicle and make it look and feel like those fake luxury brands.

    (remember, in their country of origin, the MANUFACTURER of these products doesn't bother differentiating between regular and "luxury" marques - "Lexus," "Acura," "Infiniti" are all created as false abstractions Americans put faith in and spend more money on a label just to have)

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    Hmm, our RX400h Lexus runs on both regular OR primium, but gets better mpg on the higher octane ... enough so to make up for paying the difference. The seating in the 400h IS nicer than our Prius, but enough to trade it in? No. Not even at 6'-5" 220lbs. I simply made brackets to put the seat back an extra 2" or so. Even when moved up for big rear passengers, for me, it's still do-able.
     
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    Lexus and Toyota are now separate....Es350 is the only toyota lexus... all the other are under lexus..
     
  10. Tideland Prius

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    Lucky bum :p

    Would you pay $100k for a Toyota Celsior or $100k for a Lexus LS460? Would you want your LS parked next to the dude in the Yaris? Lexus ownership is much different from Toyota ownership even though it's the same company. Yes you pay more for it but the service you get is much better. I had to BEG for a courtesy car (Yaris CE with no A/C no less!) cause the dealership FRIED my ECU!! Ok..BEGGED! What did they expect me to do, bus for the entire week because your Prius tech managed to screw up my Prius?

    That 3AZ-FE (FXE) engine can also has that "premium fuel recommended. Lower octane may be used with reduce performance" disclaimer. It's possible that that particular engine works better with premium (even on the Camry SE, Sienna and Highlander models that don't require premium). Oddly enough, the RX330 lists regular as the "standard" fuel choice.

    Not sure what you mean by that since the RX is based on the Camry platform too.
     
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    He might mean that Toyota has begun selling the Lexus brand in Japan- which sort of differentiates the otherwise the same models, ie Toyota Celsior is same as Lexus LS, Soarer = SC, Harrier = RX, Windom = ES.
     
  12. Tideland Prius

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    So you're saying only the Toyota Windom remains?
     
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    Yes , the RX is based off the Camry.. but this is not what i meant...

    Recently, Toyota and Lexus has become separate company... I read this from CL somewhere.. so it could be the R&D or the Manufac. But it was saying that ES was the only one to remain with Toyota.... sorry can't find it be i've read it more than once... when i find it i'll post it up..unless someone else would like to share...
     
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    I read soemwhere that the ES 350 was made out of melted orphans. I'm just sayin'.
     
  15. Tideland Prius

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    And how does this add to the discussion?
     
  16. V8Cobrakid

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    i would say... go with the Camry Hybrid. after all, it is an ES300.
     
  17. Mawcawfee

    Mawcawfee Prius-less (for now)

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    That's exactly my thinking right now. I am at a point in my life and career where I can pretty much afford any vehicle I want without financial concern. Yet, I want something as economical as my old Prizm (a relic from a different point in my life) but a lot more modern and safer. That's why I think I am about to buy a 2008 Prius. Plus I have a thing for hatchbacks that just about seals the deal for me. :)
     
  18. Mawcawfee

    Mawcawfee Prius-less (for now)

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    That would be my first or second choice. BUT I have serious concerns when I read all the owner complaints about '07 and '08 Camry interior rattles everywhere, misaligned panels, pieces falling off, loud suspension thunks, SKS with a mind of its own, etc. These are widespread complaints, a few of which I experienced for myself when I test drove a brand new Camry Hybrid last week. I really liked the car and was impressed with the overall experience. But my wallet gets really antsy when (1) a car with less than 25 miles on the odometer is making loud suspension thunks over small road imperfections and (2) the car is sitting outside in plain view when the trunk suddenly pops open in the pouring rain while the key fob is sitting on the salesman's desk right in front of me and nobody touched the car or the fob. Hmm. (YMMV)
     
  19. patsparks

    patsparks An Aussie perspective

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    Don't do it.
     
  20. HighBreed

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    Some people will want to experience the "luxury car" stuff for themselves no matter what other people say Else, they will always be hunted by that idea everytime they see one on the road. Life is short. ;) Go get it, enjoy it for a couple of years, and report back. Then trade it in for the next gen Prius. Cool:)