Bush sets out plan to dismantle 30 yrs of environmental laws

TheMaskedMan · Dec 9, 2004

The Dems Scare Tactics Have Gotten To You.

The overwhelmingly woeful environmental stance of our president is going to hurt every American in many ways. For example:

Terrorism. We are literally dumping billions of $ into the Middle East. This money can't help but get into the wrong hands. It also gets largely into the hands of the Saudi's, who have been labeled by Bin Laden as the "Parasite Princes". Bin Laden despises the Saudi's as much as American, and our friendship and support of the Saudi's need not be, except for oil. This relationship only serves to inflame and intensify the radical Islamic sector.

Economy. We are headed toward ever increasing energy prices which is going hurt every person in this cCountry directly, as well as hurt the overall economy. As the Indian and Chinese economies ramp up, demand for oil will go up rapidly, and thus the cost. If we don't do something to wean ourselves off of the pretroleum tit we will all pay dearly. Bush's plan is to drill for more oil, which will in fact help over the very near term. But then we will be in worse trouble for ever. His plan is kind of like charging your mortage payment to the credit card because your checking account it too low. Covers the payment for now, but eventually you're screwed.

Environment. The value of something like the Arctic National Wildlife refuge may be debatable, but to me its priceless. And there is nothing I hate more than to permanently destroy something beautiful because you are too weak and stupid to do the right thing. Its like selling your Mother's wedding ring to buy drugs. Disgusting and unnecessary. Shame on all of America if we let Bush do drill there, because the reasons for doing it are so political and shallow.

Global Warming. An honest evaluation of this subject tells you its a crisis at best, or the end of the world as we know it. The Republicans have stalled this issue off, and continue to do so in the face of mounting evidence of the threat. And the sad part is, I beleive the long term health of our economy depends on doing everything we can to HALT global warming (see Economy above). To keep the cost of everything we buy, heating our homes, driving, etc. from spiraling out of control over the next several decades we must find alternatives. And in finding those alternatives we will create jobs and keep pace with the rest of the world technologically. This is not to mention the cost of rising sea levels, which ultimately may be greater than we can bear. So much of the worlds population lives at or very near the sea, a 1 foot rise in the ocean level will be devastating. As yes, these things may have happened cyclically in the past (as Rush Limbaugh is so fond of pointing out). But they happened over millenia, not decades, and in a world that was unihabited by humans, not filled with them!
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Nothing but rubbish. Left wing rubbish.

kingofgix · Dec 9, 2004

Re: Bush sets out plan to dismantle 30 yrs of environmental

An impressive and well thought out counterpoint, maskedman.

kingofgix · Dec 9, 2004

Here is an interesting article on global warming:

The fine folks at Science Magazine have done an analysis of the last ten years' published scientific articles (articles from crank or non-peer-reviewed publications were not counted) on the subject of global climate change. The results themselves are interesting, but the most remarkable part was that, of the 928 papers they found, 75% accepted that global warming was caused by human activities, either explicitly or implicitly. 25% made no mention either way. And not a single paper asserted otherwise." JamesBell submits this article by a geologist which suggests that the Earth is in serious, imminent, unavoidable danger.

http://ebulletin.le.ac.uk/features/2000-20...cle-vkt-hgf-t4c

cybele · Dec 9, 2004

We were also told that if the GOP controlled both houses of congress and the presidency that old folks would be eating dog food and be cast into the river because the Republicans would end social security so as to give the money to their big business backers. None of it was ever true but the over the top charges have to be made to get the cash to come in from the conspiracy minded.
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Too true. I guess we all have to balance our inflammatory rhetoric from time to time.

Here's something that happened last week: "But despite mounting enthusiasm for the technology, clean coal got short shrift when Congress approved the $388 billion omnibus spending bill last week. The White House was granted only $18 million -- a sliver of its $237 million funding request for fiscal year 2005 -- for its "FutureGen" program to develop zero-emission coal-fired power plants over the next decade."

Clean Coal has been mentioned by the Bush admin many times over as the future of energy technology in this country and perhaps an integral part to the future of the "hydrogen economy."

Even without sequestering carbon dioxide with these facilities (instead concentrating on eliminating 90% of nitrogen oxide, sulfur dioxide, mercury, and particulates) clean coal is a step in the right direction.

I'm certainly not saying that $237 million is not a lot of money to throw at this, but it's a technology that the adminstration has already said that it would like to pursue. I'd like to see them put some of that money where their mouth is.

The blackout in August 2003 saw a huge reduction in pollution on the Eastern Seaboard, as coal powered facilities sat idle. Wouldn't it be nice to have at least some of our cake and eat it too? A little investment in cleaner technologies for power generation might just cut public health care costs in metropolitan areas where asthma and lung diseases cost county clinics billions of dollars a year.

finman · Dec 9, 2004

[sarcasm on] Yes, I believe it's ok to stick your head in the sand and ignore what's happening to our ONLY home. And while yer in that sand, get some more oil for more SUVs.
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Robert Taylor · Jan 11, 2005

"... is there a possibility, that with good oversight and management that it could allow us a smidge of energy independence?"

A breath of sanity.

Lets get some sense into this thread.

First, whatever is taxed you get less of,
Whatever is subsidised you get more of.

This is basic economics.

So, if we wanted LESS fosssil fuels consumption, all we have to do is tax fossil fuels MORE. And the marketplace will take care of the rest, providing more efficent vehicles, alternatives to fossil fuels, etc.

It is just that simple.

Drilling in the Artic just isn't such a bad idea. And there is ZERO credible evidence that this present administration has had some negative impact on the environment. I see the same filthy air I have seen from fossil fuels burning that I have seen for decades.

Does anyone ever consider how stupid our recycling programs are? We worry about stuff we could dump forever in a landfill with no problem, paper, glass stuff.

What we really need to recycle is stuff like left over paints, spray cans, solvents of all kinds, pesticides, batteries, etc. But there isn't a dime in getting that stuff out of the trash at all, is there? Maybe a tax ought to be put on the sale of hard to recycle items to pay for the proper disposal?

Do any of you screaming environmentalists here actually understand that we do NOT address the issue of the disposal of these items?

Recycling is a profitable side business for many cities now. We break the local ordiance for mandated city recycling by giving the valuable stuff to the our church. I should decide who I am going to donate my wealth to.

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