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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by mark.zeman, Feb 10, 2008.

  1. mark.zeman

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    Just about to drop my Prius off at the dealer but wanted a bit of independent advice.

    I've been getting an engine overheating warning on a GenII 2000 Prius when driving up hills in hot weather. When checking the engine it's not showing any signs of overheating though. Haven't lost any coolant, pipes not hot, no strong smells. After leaving the car to cool down for 15min it continues normally until it heats up on hills again. Driving around the city is fine and it only happens on hot 25c days. Just before the warning comes on the engine starts to lose a little power and you can hear the revs surging.

    I've had one dealer take a look and they couldn't find anything wrong on the testing equipment.

    Has anyone had any experience with a problem like this? My guess is that since the engine itself dosen't seem hot that the temperature sensor might be gone and there by causing the system to go into overheating protection mode.

    Could this be air in the coolant or would lead to the engine actually heating up?

    Thanks for any suggestions. Only had the car a month and I'm loving it! Getting 20k/l.
     
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    Its one of two things. Either you have a bad coolling assist fan or the water pump is in early stage of death. Usually the pump will start peeing out its weep hole from its bad bearing and you'll notice coolant leaking if going bad. Not lot but some coolant.Whats the state of tune? You have given us no info. Miles? Last coolant service? Coolant color? Good belt? Easy to check the fan...just run till its hot..put it in park pop the hood and peer in and see if the rad fan is running.I bet the fan or fan relay is bad. Get it checked out because our cars have no temp gauge and you never know how hot its really getting. That stuff damages motors.
     
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    Thanks for the fast reply.

    Just had a full 90,000 km service. Coolant wasn't replaced. Dealer said everything was in good condition. Coolant colour looks good. It's a Japanese import so I don't know when it was last replaced. Might be worth doing as well.

    Haven't noticed any coolant leaking at all. Level is exactly the same as a month ago. Have driven 1,200 km.

    Next time it happens I'll check the fan.

    Thanks for the advice.
     
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    yep, it's probably a fan component.
     
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    Use a scan gauge to see if indeed it is getting hot. Perhaps it is a faulty message.

    Icarus
     
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    Since you don't know when the coolant has last been flushed, I would have that done as well.
     
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    Your welcome. I would at least dump the rad coolant myself (let me know where the drain petcock is btw) Just the rad. Cheesy way is to dump rad. then fill with distilled water. Run it for a day with the heater on. Do the same thing again tomorrow. Then fill with anti-freeze...water pump lube.....and a pint of Water Wetter. That will usually get you pretty close to better coolant without getting air in the system. Its due. Its hard to tell coolant condition without a test but if you dump the rad you can see immed. You cannot do a coolant flush unless you have the evacuator vacuum tool that the dealer has because you will put air in the system and it will drive you batty getting it out. Weird question: Do you ever hear water gurgling water rushing noises behind the dash while at a stoplight with the heat on? Thats indicative of a home coolant flush that has trapped air in the system and the car will sometimes overheat with spikes but usually its the fan. Down here in Florida I've noticed most import car rad fans last about 50-60K and then there done or at lest suspect. Oh and if its the fan replace the fan control relay too.Its only another $ 20. I think the fan will run around $ 150. Good Luck!
     
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    There are three engine coolant drains. One at the radiator,
    one on the back of the engine block, and one at the bottom of
    the thermos bottle. Most are hidden behind plastic underpanels.
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    However, if you think the engine isn't overheating you should
    make sure the *inverter* isn't having cooling issues...
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    _H*
     
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    After driving around with the mechanic and a tester plugged in we tracked it down to the inverter over heating. It turned out the small water pump for the inverter cooling system had failed. As the inverter system can almost cool itself we didn't notice any problems day to day driving around town. On longer trips the inverter would heat up and then trigger the warnings and slow the car down.

    Overall I'm impressed at how well the car looks after the safety of it's own systems. We were driving around without a water pump for three months!

    Funnily enough the car now drives faster on the open road thanks to the inverter running properly. Like having a software upgrade!
     
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    Hi Mark,

    Thanks for the update. Your earlier msgs indicated that your car is model year 2000 and is a Japan domestic market vehicle. I had heard that the older JDM Prius have an unusual OBD protocol, so I am glad that your mechanic could determine that the inverter coolant pump had failed. This is a pretty common problem, BTW.

    I assume that your car is an NHW10 model (not NHW11)?
     
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    Nope it's a NHW11. I was told not to get a NHW10 as they're not well supported by Toyota internationally as they were intended as a domestic test model only.

    Just plugged in a standard tester I believe and we were off being able to watch temps in real-time.

    Most enjoyable and nerve racking part was when the warnings came on and he got me to keep driving up the hill. As the temp in the inverter increased you could feel the power step down until we were standing still in the middle of the road! We then rolled backwards off to the side of the road and waited for the inverter to cool down after a few minutes.

    Actually, they pulled out the pump and bench tested it. I don't think it was 100% clear from the error codes that the coolant pump had failed.