Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed

Considering that the Discovery Institute is a very important part of ID, I think that it is very relevant to THIS thread, just like every other ID-related statement that you have made.

For someone so knowledgeable about ID, I'm amused that you claim to know nothing of the organization that backs these ID advocates and is the biggest supporter of Ben Stein's movie.

Besides, I've posted links to their manifesto called the Wedge document before, so you've had ample opportunity to review it. Look, I'll do it again: http://www.antievolution.org/features/wedge.pdf. Are you afraid to read it?

Are you afraid to read the wikipedia articles on the Discovery Institute to see where this push for ID is coming from?

wildkow, what are you afraid of?

 

Oh, now you're splitting hairs. Fine, you know something about the Discovery Institute, but so little you avoided commenting on it despite me bringing it up so many times? I still find that amusing, because so many ID sites are either sponsored by the organziation or mention it. Just look up "intelligent design" in wikipedia. Two things you'll find there are: "Discovery Institute" and "Wedge Document."

It is fascinating that you would accuse me of making blatantly incorrect statements. You tried to claim that I was being misleading when I mentioned the Cold Fusion fiasco. When I showed that I was obviously not, you never apologized... and you want talk to me about credibility? lol

However, I am glad that you have finally commented on the Wedge document. We now know you really don't have a problem with a non-scientific, political, and religiously charged organization being the main proponents of ID. You really have no problem with an organization whose campaign to "teach the controversy" was specifically meant to create said controversy out of thin air. You really have no problem with an organization that created ID because it viewed evolution and science in general as materialistic. Materialistic?! Hilarious but true.

The facts are clear: ID is inextricably entwined with a non-scientific institution called the Discovery Institute like Scientology is tied to thetans and L. Ron Hubbard. It may be unpleasant to some IDers because it shows that since ID is religiously based, it's nothing more than creationism in disguise... a religious concept!

Remember, you started this thread off with a clip from "Exposed." "Exposed," by your own admission, was sponsored by the Discovery Institute. These facts are valid arguments for showing that the makers of this movie are disingenuous and that ID is NOT science. Thus, I am not hijacking this thread. Just because you don't like my argument doesn't mean I'm going to go away.

 

Wow, what a comeback! I think this handy catchphrase should be the official slogan of the ID campaign. It sums up everything about them just so darn well.

blobpet, I'm afraid you have no choice but to admit defeat now. As you can clearly see this debate is over.

 

“The [religious] proclamation of the two former presidents [George Washington and John Adams] recommending fasting and prayer, were of this nature [Proclamations]; they were an assumption of power not warranted by the constitution, or rather prohibited, by the true spirit of the third article of amendments. [Now known as the First Amendment]â€

--Saint George Tucker (1803) ​

Tucker understood, correctly I believe, that the U. S. Constitution granted the government no jurisdiction whatsoever religion. Also, he does not say the "letter" of the Fist Amendment prohibits executive religious recommendations. He says the "spirit" of the First Amendment prohibits religious proclamations.

It must always be kept in mind, when interpreting the First Amendment, that it didn't separate religion from civil authority. The government never had any in the first place.

Also, when interpreting the Second Amendment, one must alway recall that the government was never granted any power whatsoever over 'arms." In retrospect, that was rather foolish. But, that's what they did.

They probably expected us to amend the Constitution to allow the government to control modern instruments of combat (Machine guns, explosives, aircraft, etc.) which common sense says should not be available to the general public.

 

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] May 27, 2008 [/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif] Church-State Watchdog Says Required Attendance At ‘Fellowship Of Christian Centurions’ Events Violated Constitution [/FONT][/FONT]
A Wisconsin sheriff has no right to compel his employees to attend presentations by an evangelical Christian group, Americans United for Separation of Church and State has told a federal appeals court.
In a friend-of-the-court brief filed today with the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, Americans United asserts that Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke violated the separation of church and state when he required deputies to attend presentations by the Fellowship of Christian Centurions (FCC). (The FCC is an organization formed by members of an evangelical church in Brookfield, Wisc.)
FCC representatives spoke at 16 mandatory roll call events where they proselytized attendees and passed out materials reflecting their religious views. A Roman Catholic deputy and a Muslim deputy objected to the speeches, but Clarke continued to hold them.
“Government officials can’t impose their religious beliefs on employees,†said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, Americans United executive director. “Sheriff Clarke’s job is to uphold the law and the Constitution, not undermine it.â€
Americans United’s legal brief points out that the Supreme Court and other federal courts have repeatedly said that government officials may not coerce people to take part in religious activities.
“This anti-coercion principle forbids government officials not only from requiring their subordinates to participate in religious activities such as prayer or Bible-reading, but also from requiring them to attend events at which prayers are said or proselytizing speeches are made,†asserts the AU brief.
U.S. District Judge Lynn Adelman ruled in September of 2007 that Clarke’s actions amounted to a coercive promotion of religion. Clarke later filed an appeal before the 7th Circuit.
AU’s legal brief in the Milwaukee Deputy Sheriffs Association v. Clarke case was written by Louis Cohen, Heather Gomes and Ryan Foreman of the Washington, D.C., office of the international law firm WilmerHale, in consultation with AU Legal Director Ayesha Khan and AU Senior Litigation Counsel Alex Luchenitser.

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Americans United is a religious liberty watchdog group based in Washington, D.C. Founded in 1947, the organization educates Americans about the importance of church-state separation in safeguarding religious freedom. ​

 

Mick,

You might want to start your own thread, as neither of your above posts really has anything to do with discussion of Intelligent Design.

 

What do the Mayflower Compact and the Constitution of Iraq have in common?

 

Neither one is particularly related to this thread?

 

Wow.

I think Mick is a bot.
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You go, Moxie!:nod:

Mick & 'is mate Keith just can't get no sah--isfaction:hippie: