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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by jelloslug, Jul 17, 2008.

  1. Patrick Wong

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    What is the damage to your checking account so far; and how does this compare to the budget you had set for yourself at the start of the project?

    It seems that you are mostly using new parts, except for the front bumper cover...
     
  2. jelloslug

    jelloslug It buffed right out!

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    I'm running about $750 over my high side of the budget. I ran into a few things that were broken that I did not expect. I have 99% of the parts now though including the paint. I was not expecting to have to replace the AC lines, the seat belts, the mechanical water pump and pulley, or the connectors for the AC compressor. Take those things out of the equation and I'm right were I thought I would be.....
     
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    What a read. Good luck with all of this. At the end, I too would love to know, if this was cheaper then buying a new (or slightly used) one.
     
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    jelloslug It buffed right out!

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    Well, unless there is some great unforeseen disaster, I only need to buy about $100 worth of parts to have everything. With that said it looks like I will be saving around $9000 to $10000 off a new version of the same car at the current prices, new or used.
     
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    And that buys a lot of gas.
     
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    Just curious... are you using mig or tig welding (assume it's one or t'other)? If tig, are there any issues?
     
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    this is a great project and thanks for all the great pics and updates jelloslug.

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    you seem like you do really good work and know what you are doing, would a pro repair shop replace the whole frame rail or just splice in a new end as you have done?as well when a frame is rebent back into original conformation is there concern that the structural integrity is less? am wondering if this might have been part of why the car was sold as salvage.

    it looks like when you finish you will have an 08 prius for approximately a 1 /2 of the cost of which is awesome. on the downside the value at resale is probably less.
     
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    I'm MIG welding the frame sections and spot welding the non-structural areas. TIG welding is usually reserved for stainless steel and non-ferrous metals like aluminum.
     
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    jelloslug It buffed right out!

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    I'm going strictly by the Toyota Collision Repair manual on the frame repair. Structural members can be sectioned and butt welded together provided they are not reinforced with back plates (it will change the way the perform in an accident) and that you are not re-welding a factory MIG welded seam. I really doubt that a repair shop would have replaced the entire rail since the damage was limited to the section forward of the factory MIG welded seam. The Toyota Collision manual even has a specific section on doing the exact frame section repair that I'm doing. As for the straighting a bent frame, the manual states that if there are crumples or cracks in the frame rail that you must replace it (or the section), if it's just miss-aligned you can straighten it provided you do not crumple or crack it in the repair process. You are also not allowed to heat the rails to aid in bending. In the end I want the repair to 1) be structurally sound and 2) look like nothing was ever done to the car. This car is for my wife so doing it right is my to priority, especially since she usually keeps a car until it has over 200k miles on it. As for why it was salvaged? Currently I'm at about $4500 worth of parts. Some of the stuff an insurance company would not have been able buy from a salvage company like did and it would have cost more and other parts wold have been figured in a list rather than the discounted priced I paid. I would figure the labor and 2 times the cost of the parts at the least so that would put the cost at $15000 minimum and more like closer to 18k or 19k to have a repair shop fix it.
     
  10. Patrick Wong

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    It is really amazing that you started this thread less than one month ago and have shown so much progress since then. How many hours have you worked on the car so far? I hope your wife appreciates the sweat and blood that you shed ...;)

    How hard was it to replace the wiring harness connector going to the transaxle? Is the replacement connector easily available?

    Are you using salvage airbags? That is one place where an individual can realize big savings vs. having the car repaired by a bodyshop that must use new airbags.

    After you have completed welding the new frame sections, if you wouldn't mind taking photos showing what this looks like (prior to painting), that would be great! How much overlap is there, between the existing piece and the new piece that is spliced on?

    What is your plan to paint the front of the car? It sounds like you intend to do this yourself; do you have an air compressor and paint gun?

    Since you are planning to keep the car until 200K miles, you don't have to worry about the relative market value of a car with salvage title vs. one with clear title.
     
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    jelloslug It buffed right out!

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    It's really hard to say. I would estimate around 30 to 40 hours so far. I'm not in any big hurry.

    It was simple. Just pull out the pin lock retainer, use a small pick to pop the locks out of the way, and then just slide the pins out of the connector. The connector housing part number is listed on the TIS info site so it was just a matter of ordering the connector housing (it was about $4). On the transaxle all the small connectors are a 3 piece setup. There is a connector on the engine harness, an intermediate connector, and an internal connector that plugs into the intermediate connector. I had to replace the intermediate connector also. It just bolts to the side of the transaxle housing.

    Yes, I'm using salvaged airbags. I know enough about airbag systems in general to have the opinion that salvage airbags are just fine. The bags were purchased from a reputable Prius dismantler and were in new condition. Another larger savings was to have the airbag module reprogrammed rather than replacing it. A Toyota dealer cannot reprogram an airbag module with the factory scan tool. It takes an eprom program with the correct info file. There are many companies that offer reprogramming services.

    There will be pics. There is no overlap as Toyota recommends a butt joint for frame splicing

    Yep, I already have the paint. I will use a small touch-up gun for the under hood areas and a gravity feed gun for the larger panels. Both areas will be painted with a base coat/clear coat system.

    Nope. In this market even repaired salvage cars go for quiet a bit on ebay. I could get $20k once it's fixed without a problem.
     
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    Thanks for bringing this point up. I was previously unaware that Toyota requires replacement of the SRS ECU after an accident. Do you know what is the thinking behind that requirement?

    I also noticed that the price for a new ECU is $325; what does it cost to reprogram a used unit?
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    Based upon your photos, I assume that you needed to replace the driver's side airbag, the passenger side airbag, and the front seat belts. Was it necessary to replace the side or curtain airbags?
     
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    Who knows? I cannot think of a specific reason that they would make them non-resettable.

    $55

    No, the side and seat airbags did not deploy. The seatbelt pretentioner charges did not go off either but the retractors in both seatbelts were damaged. It's a good idea to replace the seatbelts after an accident of that magnitude anyway.
     
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    Great thread. I'm eager to see the completed project.
     
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    Me too. :)
     
  16. jelloslug

    jelloslug It buffed right out!

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    Small update tonight:
    (this one is for you Patrick)

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    The new frame rail has become one with the car. Honestly this was the part that made me worry the most about the whole project. I'm not that good of a welder, and frankly, I really hate paying someone else to do something that I know I can do myself. I grabbed some scrap metal and went to town with my welder. My wife is actually a decent welder so I got some pointers from her as well as some tips form a certified pipe welder from my wifes work. After a week of self-training I gave it a shot last night; I don't think it turned out that bad at all.
     
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    I just noticed that it's kind of hard to tell where the weld is. Here is a pic showing where it's at:

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    Yep, labor would have been a huge part of the estimate.
     
  19. Patrick Wong

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    Nice to hear that your wife has that talent! I suppose that knowledge helps her to appreciate the work that you are doing on the Prius.

    How do you hold the new frame rail in alignment while it is being welded?

    If the red line depicts the seam of the butt joint, it really appears indistinguishable from the surrounding area.

    Great job! Thanks for posting the photo.
     
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    I screwed it together on the top edge (you can just make out the screw heads in the pic) and I clamped it on the bottom edge. I measured it, tacked it in place, and them measured it again to make sure it did not move.