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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by scottw07071961, Mar 15, 2005.

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  1. Get the Prius now

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  2. Wait till your Geo Prizm dies

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  1. scottw07071961

    scottw07071961 New Member

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    O.K....this will sound stupid, but here goes. After years of car shows and cruising through dealer car lots, I've decided the Prius makes the most sense of any car I've ever seen. I'm AM on the waiting list and could have my new Prius as soon as next month.
    Problem is, my '95 Geo Prizm still runs well with 165.000 miles. It's (obviously) paid for, and my insurance costs are low. I still get 35 mpg highway, and it's very reliable. I'm not rich, but I CAN afford a new Prius (basic model...with side curtain aorbags). What makes more sense....Get the new Prius now and sell my Geo or...hang on to the Geo for a couple more years and THEN buy the Prius.
    Like I said, sounds stupid, but it's keeping me up at night! Any advice?
     
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    Scott,

    Get the Prius - you'll feel better. I think you Geo has done you well, but it's time to "move on"... welcome to the new millennia.

    Just my $.10 worth!

    Don
     
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    Go for the Prius. You'll be more comfortable and have the joy of this wonderful machine for years instead of driving the Geo. The Prius is wonderful, and I hope you see the light and get one soon. :)
     
  4. Tideland Prius

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    well, depends I guess. It's a tought decision. What is the insurance cost with the Prius? Is there a large difference? That might be a factor. In terms of environmental concerns, of course the Prius pollutes much much less than the Prizm. If your trips are mostly city trips, then the Prius makes sense. Just note that (depending on your location), you may or may not get 50mpg right away. That's fine, it'll take some time.

    I'm leaning towards getting a Prius because
    a) it's easier on the environment
    B) it will go farther on a slightly smaller gas tank (abt a gallon difference btwn the Prius & the Prizm)
    c) It has more features
    d) Seeing that you seem to keep your car for a long time, aside from fuel savings, you'd benefit from maintenance (engine tune-ups), reduced brake wear (thx to regen braking) and lower stress on the engine
    e) It's time for a new car! :D
     
  5. scottw07071961

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    Thanks for the response. I'm pretty sure I'll go through with it (the Prius purchase) :)
     
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    Any idea how long you are to wait for the Prius? If it's a few months you may have the decision made for you by that time (the car needs a new transmission, etc.). Decide when you get 'the call' and have driven the car.
     
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    Scott,
    It's a tough call, indeed. I had a Tercel with 260,000 miles on it when I got my Prius. I was getting 38 mpg with the Tercel. Your Prizm is a well-built car, and probably has many reliable miles left.
    The advantage to keeping the Prizm: You save money. You are averaging about 16,000 miles/year, so although your savings in gas cost with the Prius would be noticeable, it's not a deal-maker.
    The advantage to buying the Prius: Your car would be polluting far less, and your mileage would go up. I have consistently been getting 51 mpg with my Prius. The other advantage is that the Prius is more comfortable, more refined, and quieter than your current car.
    I'd say you're in a win-win situation. Whatever your decision, it works. If funds are tight for you, you might want to wait. If not, spoil yourself with a wonderful new car.
     
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    its simply more luxurious and comfortable
     
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    Additional thoughts:

    1) It might get harder to get one in a few months when the gas price goes up even more.

    2) Are you single? I would bet the Prius would be much more advantageous to your social life. If you're married, it doesn't matter what you drive.

    3) Part of my reason for buying was to "speak with my wallet" on my thoughts on the future of transportation. This is what will spur change.

    4) Do you have to borrow to buy? If so, you could wait till you could pay cash and save the interest cost.
     
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    I put 185K miles on a '94 Corolla (mechanically the same as your '95 Prizm), and it still ran great, though just a bit hot in summer with the A/C running. The only failures were the plastic radiator top, and the fan switch. That was all!

    For pure economy, you should run your Prizm into the ground, which might take another 50K miles. Your insurance will be lower if you have collision.

    But for pure fun, reliability, and safety you can't beat the Prius. Your call!
     
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    There is an additional environmental benefit: selling your used Prizm would almost certainly result in the scrapping of some older and much dirtier car.
     
  13. scottw07071961

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    Great responses - thanks a lot.
    Question for Tideland Prius...I see a Canadian flag by your name, which leads me to assume you're from the Great White North, eh? So, like, how's it going, eh? 8)
    I'm from S.E. Wisconsin, where it gets almost as cold. How has your Prius been with the cold? Should it be warmed up before driven? I'm a bit concerned about the battery in sub-zero temps, but I have a garage that stays around 32 F in Winter.
    Thanks again to all for great input - Scott
     
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    You're getting very good gas mileage on the Prism, pretty much on the high end of its range, so I would guess your travels are optimal to get the best MPG out of the Prius.

    You probably won't get any substantial tradein value out of the prism, so I'd say drop the collision if you still have it, take that money, and what you would pay to finance the Prius, and save for a while so you could pay cash, or put a good down payment. You want to avoid getting into debt cycle as much as possible, especially on a depreiating necessity like a car

    But if you are getting tired of the Prism, then get the Prius now.

    It become a matter of your balance of economics versus desire.
     
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    If you're not in a financial crunch, get the Prius. Then, sell or donate your Prism. If you sell the car, you'll cover at least a year's worth of gas from the sale.

    One downside of Prius that I see is that the value of the car will significantly decrease in the next 4 years due to advances in technology. Just like fancy digital cameras, I bet newer technology will force Prius's value down every year... probably at a faster rate than "conventional" cars.
     
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    With 165000 miles that car is not going to last much longer. When it breaks down you will not be able to immediately replace it with a Prius right away because they are still hard to find. Play it safe and order a Prius now.
     
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    Interesting thoughts on Prius resale value... I would still predict that a Prius, say, four years down the line will hold a greater percentage of its value than the infamous "comprable" car. I see your point, though.

    OK, Scott, man, buddy-ole-pal, listen up. I upgraded my '92 Olds Ciera to my Prius, and aside from all the wonderful things (they really are!) done to death in this and other posts, get it for safety. I don't know anything about your Geo, but I'm pretty confident that it doesn't have traction control, side air bags, or ESC. (Hell, my Olds didn't have any air bags or anit-lock brakes.)

    How much are you will to risk for something that's financially appealing? If people want to talk insurance, well, here's some good life insurance, of a sort. By saving cash and driving something dangerous, you're tempting the gods of irony. :D ( :cry: ? )

    Brad
     
  18. Tideland Prius

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    Hey Scott,

    actually, the coldest it's been this year was... -10? -5? that was overnight (Maybe Frank can support this). The last few weeks have been +10°C temps so I have little cold temperature experience. From what I know, no it does not need to be warmed up. The thermos will take care of that (assuming you drive daily and it's not THAT cold à la Jayman and Winnipeg :)). The battery works fine in colder temperatures. The only downside is seeing your mileage decrease as the engine idles to warm up :(
     
  19. Darwood

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    I'm not so sure about the resale question.
    1) I think Prius demand is actually going to multiply as the gas prices continues to climb. The increase in supply will still be snatched up. And the waiting lists, which have been getting better, will return and could conceivably last for years (the waiting lists not the wait).
    Technology price drops are caused by supply and demand. Once everyone has a dig. camera, VCR, or microwave oven, sales plummet. That is, unless the makers drop prices significantly, rapidly, and add new features. Hybrid technology is nowhere near fulfilling the future demand. It will take more than 4 years for the supply to catch up to demand (as the demand will continue to grow)

    2) It's the SUV resale value that will drop off. Who's gonna buy a used Hummer or even an Explorer when gas costs 3-4 bucks a gallon. Detroit, and all car makers (including Toyota) have absolutely saturated the market with gas guzzlers and theire value won't fall, it will evaporate. There will be zero demand for these beasts, as the supply is huge and the demand will be gone.

    4) There is a vast difference between the digital camer and a car. Camera's are practically a throw away commodity. People are will ing to shell out a few hundred more to upgrade a camera that is still good. A Prius will still be getting great mileage in even comparison to future hybrids, and that's where the demand will be, the fuel efficiency.

    The only way the Prius values go down ala digital camera's, is if the world finds a few hundred billion gallons of oil in Antarctica, or some car maker developes a car comparable to the Prius at half the price. This would cut the value of a Prius in half. I don't see it happening, as they'd just sell it at the same price and pocket the margin due to the high demand.
     
  20. scottw07071961

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    WOW! I've found a home! People I can relate to! This is the first 'chat group' I've EVER Joined, and I'm glad I did.
    I'm the one that started this topic, and I'm official stating that I WILL get my new Prius when I get the call from my Toyota dealer. Special thanks to all who responded (Tideland Prius, Darwood, Karmavore, DanMan32 and others).
    Being the emotionally 'challenged' person I am, I am starting up a new chat topic for other environmentally conscious people surrounded by ignorant Rednecks. (I say that as I sit here typing in my red flannel shirt and old blue jeans...).
    Point is...I just got home from a family get-together. The topic of cars came up and my enthusiasm about being on the Prius waiting list was snuffed by the talk of "300 horsepower this" and "zero to sixty that". Made me sick. I felt like I was from another planet. Same situation at work. "Sure, drill in the arctic if it means more gas for me"...*%$ like that. I try to recycle at work and get criticism for that, too! Unbelievable.

    So...... check me out at a new topic:
    "WAITING LIST GUY NEEDS EMOTIONAL SUPPOPRT"
    Maybe I'm too insuceure, but I could use some more feedback. Thanks again!