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Ok, so using your definition, people who have Lou Gehrig's disease shouldn't receive any treatment because it's an incurable disease... right? And, people who are receiving hospice care shouldn't because they are just dying anyways ... right?

 

What facts? You have not presented any facts. Just the ridiculous claim that allowing gays to marry will result in their becoming ill more often.

 

Cleanup, aisle 12, straw man all over the place.

Getting back to the subject at hand, I was just proving health care is an inalienable right.

For that matter, corporate bailouts are NOT an inalienable right.

 

But it's not a right, inalienable or unalienable. You've proven nothing. Funny how you didn't answer my question either.

 

I never said that. Actually letting gays marry will probably result in less cases of aids and similar diseases..

 

And, as we all know, aids is a 'gay' disease, right? Uh, no. Unsafe sex with anyone - male, female, or somewhere in between - is risking aids and many other diseases. Even getting a blood transfusion can result in aids infection. So, not only do you not have to be gay to get aids, you don't even have to have sex.

According to a sex educator who visited my daughter's school, more heterosexual couples have tried anal sex than have homosexual couples. So, is it the behaviour you're so against, or the people who engage in it?

 

So what exactly is your opposition to it?

 

You're right. In the U.S.A. (and in the "industrialized world", the U.S.A. alone) health care is not a right.

But it should be.

 

apparently it IS our right to rack up half a mil in medical expenses whether we can help it or not, though. and whether we have insurance or not. and that doesn't even address the issue of whether we can afford the insurance or not. oh, and now that bankruptcies are basically impossible even due to medical circumstances, we have the right to f up our entire lives over one accident that wasn't even our fault! goooo rights!

i mean really. where the hell else can one rack up that much negative on the balance sheet for one unlucky day?

and oh hey, where's the big bailout for the hospitals, giving out all that expensive medical care to people who don't pay them back? or will the staunch conservatives blame the hospitals for taking a bad risk in providing emergency room services to poorhouse bob?

oh wait, they can't turn him away if his life is in jeopardy, it's illegal! so can someone please explain to me, how does that translate to a non-inalienable right again?

 

Then you should live in a socialist country and not here. If you want your country to do everything for you, socialism is your cup of tea. Just be prepared to pay up the yin yang in taxes. If you think you're taxed now, you ain't seen nothin' yet.

 

It's also your right to get good grades in school and get a scholarship to go to school, or get a job and go to school at night so you can get a great job and make something of yourself so you can afford insurance and not worry about getting handouts from the government. You know, that politician was right, we are a country full of whiners.

 

and if you already had the solid career, made the good money, had the impressive resume and stellar recommendations? had the health insurance and then got fired because you couldn't work anymore? pow! no more health insurance! then what?

oh, then i guess you just take it up the a$$. i know, i've been there.

you know, not all people who get crapped on are bad, lazy people who deserve it. i'm sorry if it shatters your worldview, but hardworking and independent people get hurt on a daily basis.

i'm not whining, i'm talking about REALITY. i hope it never happens to you, but statistically quite a few of us will have a pretty bad back injury in our lifetimes.

 

I'm going through it right now. I saw my neurologist and pain mgmt specialist last Thursday and Wednesday I go in for more EMG and NCV testing pre-surgery. Yet, I was prepared and had good insurance, long and short term disability insurance and money in the bank. I know everybody can't do that, and I have compassion for those who meet with dire circumstances. What I don't like are the people who spent like there was no tomorrow on journeyman's wages and never saved, planned for the future or made something of themselves through our school systems. I put myself through school. I know others can too, if they put their minds to it. I made sacrifices to get where I am. It's like the classic grasshopper and the ant fable. Plan for tomorrow and live for today.

 

My only complaint about taxes is they aren't nearly high enough for the rich.

 

i'm sorry to hear that, it took 7 docs (orthopedist, neurosurgeon, orthopedic surgeon, etc) before we got to a pain mgmt specialist and then we hated him and went to another. it's a rough process but once you find the right doc it helps. best of luck to you.

we had so-so insurance (employer chosen, what else could we do) and money in the bank, we were building our nest egg for a down payment on a house. he was denied for long and short term disability. by the time he lost his job, we had no savings left and all of a sudden no insurance. i did all i could, but that was that.

i put myself through school, i got a fellowship to go to grad school, and now he's in school too. i'm not whining, it's the way things are. the hardest thing was watching 8 years of hard earned savings- much of it saved even though we were living on one income- get sent away to hospitals like nothing.

it's hard to be sufficiently prepared for something this momentous when you're in your mid-20s.

 

This is a pretty funny comment given who's getting their sorry selves bailed out of a tough financial situation at the taxpayers' expense as we speak.

If you don't want "socialism" then I suppose you also don't want government ownership in the financial sector? No public schools? No public roads? A whole lot of things you depend on are owned by "the people," so don't look down your nose on the concept unless you're ready to do without those things.

As for your argument about working hard, positive attitude and all that, some of us are fortunate enough to have our lives dropped into comfortable positions where we're allowed to live the way we choose, and we're rewarded for hard work. If you think everyone could achieve the same thing, you're daydreaming, because the whole concept of your personal wealth depends on someone else's poverty.

 

Mrblaise subscribes to the old conservative myth that everyone who exerts himself or herself will succeed, and that only the lazy people fail. The myth says that if everyone exerted him- or herself we'd all be wealthy and there'd be no poor people at all.

I have argued with folks like this before. Nothing you can say will convince them that life is just a lot more complicated than that.

I think this is how they justify the contradiction between their religion, which says they must share what they have with the poor, and their basic human desire to keep what they have for themselves.

 

Thanks for the good thoughts. You are right about it being hard when you're in your 20's Desperate times don't really figure into the equation when you're that young. It sounds like you're both enterprising though. I have no doubts you'll pull through again .... Sometimes "the way things are" makes you tougher, and prepares you for bigger battles. I know it did for me. I was so low I had to look up to see the worms. Perseverance will prevail .... Wishing you all the luck in the world ....!