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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by cycledrum, Sep 27, 2008.

  1. cycledrum

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    Not that it happened, but I did read the warning in the manual - the transmission can be heavily damaged if the shifter is bumped into any other gear or neutral while in Drive or vice versa. This is a tad scary considering the shift knob is quite close to the audio volume knob.

    You would think they have electronic safety built in to not shift the transmission to an opposite gear while moving, but apparently not.

    Just curious about this. I'm really careful and pretty much babying the car.
     
  2. TheForce

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    You can "shift" to any selection you want while in motion and the Prius will just beep at you. You might cause damage below 7mph and hitting the park button but other than that You should be fine if you bump the shifter.
     
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    Any of our techinical members know if this is true or just one of those legal disclaimers. I agree with the OP. If it's all fly/shift by wire I find it difficult to believe they wouldn't lock out any moves that could damage the car. Although perhaps drive to reverse? Not good, especially if abused, but sometimes used to rock a car out of the snow? :noidea:
     
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    In 2004, when the Gen II Prius was released, a few of us tried a bunch of crazy things to test what would happen. Someone bolder than I attempted to shift into reverse while driving. As Force said, it just beeped at them. They also attempted to "bump" the [POWER] button but that failed. They tried to put it in [Park] but that didn't work.

    In the end, we decided that since the Prius is almost completely software controlled, you can't make silly mistakes like accidentally shifting out of Drive while driving.
     
  5. cycledrum

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    Thanks for the feedback.

    It's a really nice car. Better than I expected in comfort and economy.
     
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    One thing you don't wanna do is find out how fast you can go in N. At some point one of the motors will destroy itself.
     
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    I guess a combination of software malfuction and driver malfunction at the exact same time could result in damage, but as Tony said this was intentionally tested way back when...I've unintentionally tested all of them myself at one time or another over the past 80,000 miles...no harm done.
     
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    I have tried those things too. Trying reverse while moving gets you a beep, hitting "P" while moving puts you in "N", and you have to hold the "power" button down for several seconds before anything happens; the car goes into a dead-stick glide and requires a complete dead stop before you can power back up. I've only tried the last one once in the middle of nowhere and will not do so again. I let my son drive my car today and as he was going back into "D" after a glide in "N", he accidentally pushed up on the lever a bit too far and got the beep. On a side note, he got a 129 mpg 7.7 mile segment and a 112 mpg 17.9 mile segment. Looks like I have taught him well.:biggrin1:
     
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    I was thinking of the pathological case of shifting into N at the top of a very long downgrade, and leaving it there as the road speed exceeds 60, 70, 80 MPH... The car's computers should to refuse to shift to N if the roadspeed were already too high, but I don't expect that it would shift itself *from* N to D to protect itself. I'm not going to perform the experiment :_>
     
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    while driving any prius will not shift into another "gear".. aka.. reverse.. ever..

    the only way to damage it is:

    drop it into P while below 4mpg potentially harming it... over.. and over.. and over...

    drop into N or switching out of N while above 43mpg... the real number is a tad higher... but it's basically one of the electric motors over revving while trying to keep up with a simulated N
     
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    Actually that's fine to do as well.
    What you may be thinking is that if you go into N while the ICE is off (during a glide below 41mph) then coast up to or above 62mph you can overspin MG2 above its 10,000rpm threshold and theoretically damage it. AFAIK nobody's tested to see what actually happens above 62mph...I've hit 62mph under those conditions a handful of times but always went back into D before it exceeded that speed and MG2 was still below 10k rpm (barely).
     
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    the car is smart, it wont let you shift into reverse, you have to be allowed to shift into neutral due to safety.

    the 01-03 prius you could shift into park, and reverse, when you shifted into reverse the reverse lights came on and the car entered neutral, never tried park though, dont plan on it.
     
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    Well pressing "P" at 43 mph does nothing but put you into neutral..
    I had to press the brake pedal to shift back into "D" to continue...
    The missus screamed at me, so I won't be doing it again!

    Learn by destroying is not a valid concept where my Prius is concerned!
     
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    So for the northern members. Can you shift back & forth between D, N & R quick enough to rock it out of the snow or not?
     
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    I have touched 70 in "warp neutral" without the engine spinning.
    My butt-dyno tells me this actually creates more frictional
    resistance than running warp-stealth, because of windage/viscosity
    around MG1 as it's screaming away. But it's unlikely that chunks
    of rotor are going to come flying through the firewall into your lap.
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    I know that the protection against shifting to the direction other
    than what you're moving in, or to Park, kicks in at 2 MPH because
    I tried it on an icy parking lot where it wouldn't matter if the
    front wheels locked up. You get beeps and land in Neutral instead.
    TWO miles per hour, that's the threshold. It's still possible to
    go to Park by mistake while rolling at less than that and get a
    pretty hard lurch out of the car, and it doesn't come recommended.
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    Yes, you can rock out of snow but with the '04 and up, one needs
    to get a feel for the slight delay between going from D to R and
    back again, so where you're shifting tends to lead what the car
    actually does in the cycle. You also need to keep the foot pressure
    light, so the tires pull gently but firmly without trying to spin
    which causes the whole system to back off torque for a longer time.
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    It seems there are many owners of a year or more's duration that
    live in northern areas and are *still* asking these questions. The
    answers have been posted many times, and it takes all of an hour
    or two of going out to play in the snow to make it all clear. All
    this oughta be in a FAQ somewhere, right along with "do I ever have
    to replace the hybrid battery" and "what's that funny whirring noise
    under the hood" and the like.
    .
    _H*
     
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    Thanks Hobbit! Good post!
     
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    No you didn't. You can freely switch between D, N, R and B without touching the brake pedal. You only need your foot on the brake to shift out of P.
     
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    Erm.. yes I did... It wouldn't go into drive with the "D"... as I was coasting I pressed the brake to pull over and was holding in "D" position it went into drive. Trying "D" on it's own gave me the double beep error. :p
     
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    Are you absolutely certain you pulling up slightly when trying to go to "D"? If you actually weren't, then they have made some drastic changes from '07 to '08. My son drove my car this past weekend and got the double beep when trying to go into "D" until he realized he had accidentally went up slightly before pulling down to go into "D". As stated in an earlier post, I can go from "N" to any of the other positions other than "P". You do have to be in "D" though before you go into "B".
     
  20. tripp

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    I switch between B,D, and N frequently on my commute home. You don't need to press the brake to switch into D.