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"100% Hybrid" Shoes -- It says so, right on the box.

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  1. Rokeby

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    Today, after looking in vain at Nordstroms (bargain basement) and DSW, I
    bought this pair of shoes at REI in Timonium (Big Sale today and tomorrow):

    http://priuschat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11783&stc=1&d=1223783407

    They just may be the ugliest closed-toe shoe that I've ever owned. Keen
    might just as well have have included a clown's red-ball nose to complete
    the ensemble.

    However, I've always believed that in shoes, comfort is more important than
    style. There is much to be said for being able to wiggle my little piggies in
    the enormous toe box.

    What the "100% HYBRID" part is I can't figure out. I've searched high and
    low, inside and out, and can find evidence of neither a charging port nor fuel
    fill. Hmmm... maybe they're solar. And I can't find an MFD either. How will I
    know when I'm in regen, no-arrows glide, warp stealth etc.?

    Am I missing something? -- And yes, I checked... there was no Owner's
    Manual in the box.
     

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    So, does the box say whether they are "men's" shoes or "women's"?? :p

    By looking at them, I think they are "hybrid" in that they go on trails and streets. They look like a hybrid between the two.
     
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    Even taking the dictionary definition of hybrid as "a cross between two things", it makes no sense. So I looked at the Keen Shoes website, and their whole line is called "hybrid.life" which is more evidence that Marketing people are the most evil people on the planet. I have seen shoes that could be considered hybrids (my SAS shoes could be considered a sneaker/business shoe hybrid), but these can't.
     
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    Stev0, Sufferin' Prius Envy,

    If I had to guess, I'd say tht the shoes are a hybridization --
    bastardization? -- of a Birkenstock sandal and a typical shoe.

    Whatever, at least on a day's use, it works for my size 12,
    bipedal mobility units.
     
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    How could anything, especially shoes for Pete's sake, be 100% hybrid? Isn't a hybrid a combination of two things?
     
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    My shoes operate on a combination of caffeine and sugar. Sometimes to reduce consumption I offset my caffeine with alcohol.
     
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    Given the choice, I'd rather 'recharge' by using the plug in option. :p
     
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    So are you running E10? :yo: or E87? :eek:
     
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    Since my fuel bladder is much smaller than the Prius' I can make adjustments on the fly. Some days I'm running E10 corn-based fuel while other days are closer to HB85 (85% hops and barley).
     
  10. Rokeby

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    Tony,

    careful there, this is a G rated forum. :D

    OK, so I got around to reading the blather on the box. Here's an extract:

    "Keen believes in living a HybridLife, a life that balances creativity, a
    passion for playing in the outdoors, and caring about causes that make a
    difference. It is a communuty of peopke balancing the things that matter
    most. Create, play and care. Its a way of Life. We call it HybridLife."

    "Uh huh, and what about the shoes," thinks I.

    I had seen, and tried on the shoes, their "Briggs" model, before I saw the
    box. So I can say that my purchase was not influenced by the "100%
    HYBRID" in any way. Change the situation slightly, and who knows.

    Another extract:

    "Cork/Latex/Jute Footbed. Featuring all natural, sustainable materials this
    vegan-friendly [Emphasis added.] footbed is easy on your feet and won't
    pack out. The cork adds cushioning and consistent rebound. The jute adds
    structural integrity."

    This sound's very much like the Birkenstock's footbed composition. Hmm...
    maybe some of the community will be spending some time in the Big House.

    I'm not really conversant with the vegan thing, but I hadn't even considered
    having to eat these shoes. I wonder if the fact that the uppers appear to be
    two-tone sueded leather in any way diminishes the vegan-friendliness of the
    shoe. Nevermind, I guess I should only be considering eating the footbed --
    Yuck!

    All in all, it seems like the word "hybrid" is being used in a whole new context
    here: quality, or correctness, or regretably maybe only trendiness. At any
    rate, you would have to suspect that Toyota, and more specifically the Prius,
    are at the center of this redefinition.
     
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    Vegan-friendly would infer that the shoe was entirely man-made.
    If it has animal-derived suede (not pseudo-suede), the marketing people are evil incarnate, bastardizing the terms "vegan" and "hybrid" for their own nefarious purposes.

    I'd make THEM eat the damned things!
     
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    Rae Vynn,

    thanks for the clarification. Nowhere on the shoe, or the outside or inside of
    the box is there a statement of the origin of the materials for the uppers. So,
    to reflect this state of undeterminedness, I edited my post to say "appears to
    be... leather..."

    Wouldn't the origin of the material be the determining fator here? There is a
    case of someone chemically dissolving a sows ear, and subsequently weaving
    a "silk purse." This I take it is most definitely not vegan.
     
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    I've been wearing my "100% Hybrid" shoes for two days now. Not bad; no
    blisters, and plenty of room in the toe box to wiggle my tootsies.
    Comfortable, no complaints. Only problem is, over the last two days I've
    been getting ~3 less MPGs on my very familiar daily commute route, temps
    at ~ 60 deg.

    Well, I figure it's these shoes. The soles on these shoes are much thicker
    that the soles of the light weight shoe I wore all summer. They are also
    considerably stiffer. The net result is I have no feel for the go-pedal. I don't
    propose to drive in my stocking/bare feet, but I'm thinking of having the
    lighter shoes in the car to drive in.

    And as the colder months come on, stiffer/thicker soled shoes could be
    another little detail that might contribute to your decreasing MPGs along with
    droping temps, ethanol, denser air, etc.

    So, the Hybrid shoes while comfortable to walk/work in, aren't in my short
    experience hybrid vehicle friendly. I'd put 'em at only "50% hybrid," and
    that would be the left shoe for the brakes. ;-)

    Do you think I should bring this to the attention of my newfound fellow
    HybridLife community members?
     
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    Yes, the origin of the material is definitely the determining factor with the application of the adjective "vegan". As I understand it (sorry, I'm not vegan, but know many people who are), there are some for whom any product containing animal products of any nature cannot be called "vegan", but there are others who say it's OK to have animal products in something as long as no animal was harmed in the manufacture. A good example of this debate is wool; some vegans hold wool to be OK while others are against it.

    To further complicate this, I think the manufacturers of your shoes are doing some fancy footwork with their marketing. If I read the snip you included from the box correctly, the specific language does not say that the shoes are vegan; it says that the "footbeds" are vegan. Sort of silly I know if they put leather uppers on the shoe, and I know that I'm analyzing a quote out of context, but it still looks like the marketing department was overworking again. ;)

    With respect to the whole FE thing, I think you're right. While I don't live in a place where we'll have a real winter, I certainly own shoes with different weight soles etc. There is a distinct correlation between FE and shoe weight and flexibility; the heavier and less flexible the shoe, the lower the FE I see. If I put on a lighter pair of shoes or very flexible shoes I get better FE.

    Unfortunately, in a climate where winter is real (snow, cold, etc.) I don't know that there's a good solution.
     
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    either women or men
    hybrid .......
     
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    This is a correct statement in any conceivable context.

    I do like Keen products though. They fit my fat feet. I think they are designed specifically for fat Americans like me.
     
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    Oh! The inexpressible joy of resuscitating a moribund thread.

    On further reflection on the matter of what might qualify as truely
    "hybrid" footwear, a conjunction of sock and shoe must surely qualify.
    "Five Finger Shoes:"

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    To truely invigorate an otherwise played-out topic requires broadening
    it's scope, thinking outside the shoe box as it were.

    Consider this:
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    Letting it all hang out; five finger shoes and a Utilikilt.

    (This footwear was previously discussed as a running shoe
    alternative.)

    Might could be it would make a better than average hypermiler's
    driving shoe.
     
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    I do love my Vibrams :)

    And a man in a kilt? Yummy!! ;)
     
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    Hmmm. A combination of 2 things....I like that. Not only do I drive a Hybrid, I'm also hybrid since I live with 2 sets of DNA....Not a true Chimera, but close....I have an organ transplant!
     
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    For a particularly high concentration of them, attend the Seattle Folklife Festival.