Handling a Downturn the Toyota Way

while GM is moving their engineering to Korea, Toyota is moving it to the USA.

While Big 3 are closing plants, japanese and koreans are opening new ones.

If GM knew how to build better product, they would not have failed.

Japan or China did not steal anything from anyone, at least not more than every other country in the world that US has surplus with.

 

what does that mean exactly? Toyota has best CAFE numbers on vehicles sold in the USA... Something like 25% better corporate average than GM in 2007.

If there wasnt for SUV's that made them money, there would be no Prius today. If GM was smart to invest their profits 15 years ago in utopian idea of building an vehicle with 60% better mpg and emissions than similar cars on the market, maybe they would not be going bankrupt today
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CAFE is stronger for Toyota because of the historical car/truck mix. The company "moving you forward" is doing everythng in its power to change that. Do they build the yaris and prius in San antonio with all the excess production? Didn't think so.

 

this thread is typically pathetic. lets go ahead and defend gm... lets all go down the drain with them!! yep, that'll work!!

 

Dave, tell me where I am wrong.

Myth: Toyota, Honda etc, are helping the US economy by creating jobs.
Reality: a net job loss of 4 jobs for every job Toyota creates.

Myth: toyota is a green company.
Reality: Toyota sells the Prius, less than 10% of its US volume, 70% of the Toyota US volume does not get the mpg a comparable Chevy gets.

Myth: The US economy is moving into an information and service age which will be better for all americans.
Reality: The US economy has quickly become hollow, the manufacturing sector is being offshored, the banking industry is a giant ponzi scheme and the average american's standard of life will soon reflect what is left.

The dot-com and then the real-estate bubbles helped to hide the true state of the US economy. Now the true economy is visible for all to see.

 

Does Toyota have a product which leads us toward the most likely post oil motor vehicles?
Reality: - Well the Prius gets half the power to the ground through an electric drive train, GM have some "me too" products but never seem to take them seriously. That's why Toyota is seen as green, not for what they sell now but for being clear leaders and pioneers toward the future. GM crushed their vision for the future.

Does GM get most of it's small cars and economical car from Asia now, far more than in the past?
Reality: - Yes it does while Toyota are expanding production capacity in the USA.

Is US manufacturing declining due to poor management?
Reality: - Yep, and those bad managers are receiving record remuneration.

 

Gm is moving engineering to Korea? Please stop with the non-sense. GM is not the reason the US is running an automotive trade deficit with Japan greater than a $billion/week. I am not sure how that is possible when toyota is doing so much to help the US economy.. Open your eyes before it is too late. The same thing is now happening with the chinese only on a much larger scale.

 

hell with all that...

there are two boats, one with a hole that is sinking, one that is not....what you want???

keep in mind, the boat with the hole knew it was sinking and had a choice to either

1) fix the hole

2) order another boat to pull up along side and hold her up

3) continue on as if nothing is wrong hoping to be shipwrecked on a reef somewhere to prevent the boat from going under before it was too late

any questions??

 

There is no question about bad management over the years, but the steel industry, textiles, semiconductors, electronics, plastics, and auto industry have been targeted and systematically dismantled piece by piece.

 

you talk about the jobs ratio, like so whats the point?? it doesnt matter how many people Toyota employs to do a task verses anyone else...

the only thing that matters is that a failed company employs ZERO

fail today or fail tomorrow, what the diff??? Ford appears to be the only company that might be able to ride out the storm... they are also the only one of the big 3 that has produced actual results to help them selves...iow, they are working to PATCH THE HOLE IN THEIR BOAT!!

obviously words are not working for you... should i send you a copy in Braille??

 

ok... placed order for response in Braille...

so what you are saying is that if a rock that fell from Space caused the hole in the boat, the rock should be responsible to fix the boat...or maybe the "person" from Space who threw the rock should pay??

blaming a company's inability to provide a product that people will buy on others is what we need to be doing??

malorn, i am surprised... all this time we have talked i was sure you were over the age of EIGHT

 

A couple of notes:

Toyota does not have the highest CAFE, Honda does. Both higher than GM.
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/portal/nht.../Associated Files/March_2008_CAFE_Summary.pdf

GM is not exporting engineering to Korea. GM bought Daewoo, a Korean car company. They are imported one car from Daewoo branded as the Chevy Aveo. Soon Pontiac will have their own version.

 

so you are telling me that Japan, Korea, and Germany have never provided their automakers with any subsidies in the form of provided health care, low-interest or free loans, government funded pensions, subsidized r & d, underwritten transportation costs? If you answer no to all of these than all of the holes in the boat were the fault of GM, Ford and chrysler.

 

mommy!!! joey parents bought him an X-box... so what are you going to do for me???

 

malorn... i can do 8 year-old responses all day too

 

Yes, targeted and dismantled by AMERICANS... greedy Americans who sought to line the pockets of management and shareholders to be pennywise and pound foolish.

American companies have operated like the cricket with no thought for the future. And foreign companies have operated like the ant, working hard every day, saving some for a rainy day.

And now the cricket is crying that the ant should help him out.

Classic.

 

Dave,

The trade deficit is killing this country and it did not happen by chance. We are giving away our entire economy once every 10 years and now we are paying the piper so-to-speak.

The country is broke, it will effect everyone, every pension, every govt employee, every hourly worker, every white-collar worker, EVERYONE! The largest transfer of of wealth in the shortest period of time in the history of manknind is taking place and some of you resort to calling me names?

 

trade deficit is an issue that we need to deal with... and the biggest part of that is foreign oil... so we need to reduce our dependence on oil by building fuel eff...

oh, hey!! back to this point again...

 

The problem with the economy is that everyone wants to nickle and dime everyone every time a transaction is made.

The GMC dealer where my father had his truck serviced charged him $37 to do a nitrogen refill two weeks ago when he was in for routine maintenance.

Is the $100 an hour for labor not enough on the things that need to be done? They talk a customer into doing something that provides at most a minimal benefit and pull the cord for another $37.

The problem isn't import/export deficits, its how business is conducted in America.