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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by Jagram, Feb 22, 2009.

  1. Jagram

    Jagram New Member

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    I bought my 2008 Prius last June. Since then I have "fried" two gate openers. I have finally (on the 3rd one) decided to keep it on my key chain to protect it. Ok, that was strange enough, but now I am unable to find a car charger for my MP3 player that doesn't sound like metal going through a paper shredder! The MP3 player works fine thru the speakers as long as I don't have the power plugged in to either power outlet!! I have tried two different car chargers. The MP3 is a SanDisk--also, same problem with an iPod!!

    Has anyone had similar problems? This is driving me nuts!
    Thanks for ANY help!
     
  2. qbee42

    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    Use a ground loop isolator and filter on the power supply.

    Tom
     
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    The ground loop isolator is in reference to noise when playing back music from a portable music player w/it powered. See http://priuschat.com/forums/prius-m...6-prius-owner-bunch-questions.html#post205090.

    Toyota came out w/a TSB after the fact for this. See http://priuschat.com/forums/toyota-prius-service-bulletins-tsbs/46700-noise-aux-port-06-08-a.html. I got the TSB done and no longer need the ground loop isolator.

    I don't know anything about "frying" gate openers. Are you talking about garage door openers? I've never seen one that could be plugged into any power source.
     
  4. qbee42

    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    I suspect the gate opener thing is a red herring.

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    Sorry...gate opener is a very real problem. The first opener worked flawlessly in my Mini Cooper and then after just a few weeks in the Prius, stopped. Same thing for the second one, but only for a short time.
     
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    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    We are pretty good at trouble shooting, but it helps if you give us even a tiny little bit of information. Mind reading tends to lengthen the process and reduce accuracy.

    Let's talk about the gate opener. We can do this the twenty questions way since you have not offered any data:

    1) What does it do?

    2) Is it powered by an internal battery, or does it plug into the Prius?

    3) Why do you think the failure is Prius related, other than the circumstantial nature of it being in the Prius when it failed?

    In regard to my tone, if it sounds short I apologize. I'm not really a hard nice person, but it gets very frustrating when people come in looking for help but act like a hostile witness in a criminal trial. We often can help, but we need data. :)

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    No hostility here...just confusion! I live in a gated community. We moved Dec. 2007 at which time I owned a Mini Cooper and was able to use the remote for the gate. It functioned perfectly up to and including the first week of having swapped cars (June 2008) and placing that same remote (NOT plugged in...attached to the sunvisor like any other remote, whether garage door or gate) in the new Prius.

    Ok, after a week or so it just stopped working. I replaced batteries twice with no success. I was given a brand new remote and it only worked about a week before it too stopped operating the gate.

    I posted here because I am completely at a loss about this. I've checked with other neighbors and they have had no problems. I hate to keep it in the car on the chance that this latest one will stop operating as well. Any suggestions would be appreciated. My husband still has his original opener (which works fine) in his Honda.

    I hope this clarifies the issue.
     
  8. richard schumacher

    richard schumacher shortbus driver

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    I can't think of any likely way a Prius could do that, nor any way that keeping it on a chain could protect it. There is such a thing as co-incidence... Where do you keep the remote when not in use, and is that different with the Prius than it was with the Mini?
     
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    Hmmm gated community. Is it an RFID or an actual "clicker?"

    I'm wondering if the sks is causing interference?
     
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    Richard, I keep it on my keychain in my pocket with all my keys when I'm not in the car, else it is on a table in the foyer. I always kept it on the visor in the Cooper.

    Jayman, it is a clicker...our system is Door King.

    Guys, thanks for responding to my question, I really appreciate your interest.
     
  11. qbee42

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    There is no possible way that the Prius is related to the death of your gate opener. It simply doesn't emit harmful fields that could influence that device. Chalk it up to coincidence.

    As for the mp3 player, you need an isolator. That will get rid of the electrical noise in the 12V power coming from the Prius power plug.

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  12. richard schumacher

    richard schumacher shortbus driver

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    Jagram, is it possible that the way the remote attached to the visor could have kept the remote's button pushed when the visor was folded up? Otherwise, I like jayman's suggestion of turning off the smart key system as a test.

    Does anyone know of remotes that use two-way communication?
     
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    All remotes that I know of use a simple one way transmission, initiated by a button push. High RF fields could cause a failure, but these simply don't exist in the Prius, even with the SKS.

    As an engineer I'm obligated to admit that there is a small chance that the relationship is causal, but I would guess that the odds are down into the 0.001% range.

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    Door King makes a wide variety of openers, for many different markets. It would be helpful to know the model number of the opener

    Some of the very older Door King units may be close enough in frequency to the SKS that interference could be possible. The newer Door Kings appear to use more robust RF ranges and rolling codes

    At this point it does sound as if the clicker itself is defective. I've had dead and bum Chamberlain clickers in the past

    Note: I would never depend on an RF clicker to operate a gated community. Most of them are *not* rolling code, and very easy to clone. A modern RFID tag system is very easy to control access, if the RFID is lost or stolen, its easy to delete it from the database

    RFID's can be cloned if you are conversant in that technology, and the system uses a simpler protocol. I did notice when DHS sent my new Nexus card, it came in a security sleeve that denies casual snorting/sniffing
     
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    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    RFID also allows for logging, which can be useful for security purposes.

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    richard schumacher shortbus driver

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    Then we're agreed: Jagram's landlord should definitely replace the gating system :_>
     
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    Out of curiosity, does that gate opener still work near the gate but not from the car, say if you walked up to the gate on a walk or held it outside the window? What happens when you turn off the car's remote entry system, does the gate opener work?
    Or, it just died, like really dead.:eek:
     
  18. qbee42

    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    I assumed when the OP said "fried" he meant totally dead.

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    This is a relatively new gate system and a brand new remote. When the past two remotes stopped working, I mean they didn't work even if I walked up to the gate and was close enough to touch it (with my car being at the far end of the parking lot turned off!). Unfortunately, if only one person out of 24 is having a problem I'm not going to be able to get the HOA to agree to the expense of gate replacement. This system is based on a rolling code, BTW. I'm tempted to leave this 3rd remote in the car and see how long before it stops working, just for more info...as long as they don't start charging me for the remotes! :)
     
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    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    It's not the car. From what you describe, it can't be the car, unless you are driving over the remote.

    Tom