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Troubleshoot a HID headlight

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by thuston, Mar 5, 2009.

  1. thuston

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    My 2008 Prius with HID headlights is running with one eye. This is the same car as in the Blinking gas guage thread. Does anyone know how to troubleshoot the HID headlight so I don't have to blindly start changing parts. I don't want to be on the recieving end of a high intensity discharge:eek:
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    In general, an HID headlight problem is attributable either to the bulb or the electronics module. To ascertain whether the bulb is the problem, the normal approach would be to swap bulbs from side to side.

    However you'll probably find out that it is not easy to remove the bulbs, so you may decide it is easier just to install a new bulb and see what happens.
     
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    There are many, many threads on HID failure and replacing the capsules. Search for HID.

    Tom
     
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    If the light won't come on at all, even when you switch the lights off and back on, then 99% of the time the bulb is bad. I would just replace the bulb. Keep the old one for awhile just in case though.

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    The light that is out is on the drivers side. It was working originally and then quit. I had a fellow put a new bulb in, but it still doesn't work. It is possible that he damaged the second bulb. I was hoping to troubleshoot this to the bulb or module so I could just go in there once. Is there any was to test the module?
     
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    If he got any skin oil on it, that could be why it went so soon.
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    He should have known not to do that, but you never know. Is there a way to test with a volt meter? What sort of voltage is in a HID system comming out of the module and then to the headlight?
     
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    your supposed to be getting 85 volts AC out of it, but i wouldnt risk powering it up to measure the voltage, if the bulb doesnt work in the other side headlamp then the bulb is bad, I bought a set of D2S bulbs on ebay, 5000K for about 60 bucks, one of those noname brands, and its been roughly 40k miles so far and no problems.

    when you are ready to install you cannot touch the bulb at all, you must prepare the headlight to install the bulb then you can just install it, i suggest you replace both if your buying a new set of bulbs because new HID bulbs need to be burn in.
     
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    I have no experience of the specifics of the HID driver circuits on the Prius but I have mended lots of projectors that use metal halide. You cannot measure it with a voltmeter, it will likely fry your meter. Do be extremely careful, they hurt when they bite you. The only way I have found to look at them is with an oscilloscope and even then the waveforms off load are little indication of the waveforms when there is a bulb connected.

    Testing by replacement is by far the easiest way.
     
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    The only way I have found to look at them is with an oscilloscope and even then the waveforms off load are little indication of the waveforms when there is a bulb connected.

    WOW! You must work for NASA. :D
    I had no idea it would be so hard to test a light bulb. If that is the case, I will try and switch one side for the other and test for the light. If that doesn't work, then I will order a module.

    Thanks,
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    Terry

    So, I'm wondering why a guy with a '08 wants to try to fix his HID himself, as that's what the warranty is for, then noticed you're in Red Deer, Alberta.

    As no Canadian market Prius was offered with HID, you must have picked up yours in the States. Thus, no warranty

    There are a few threads here about HID problems. I'd also suggest a subscription to All Data DIY

    ALLDATAdiy.com :: Leading Source of Diagnostic and Repair Information

    A one year subscription is under $20 and you have access to the same factory service manuals as a Toyota tech.

    I should warn you that if you're stuck paying for parts, this could get pricey

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    Hi Jayman,
    How's Winnipeg? We are at +8 today:) I bought this vehicle as a salvage. I have been doing this for almost 15 years and have never been swindled as bad as I was on this one. Financially, I would have been better off to just run it though the auction again, but morally it would be wrong to pass off problems I know of to some other unsuspecting soul. So.....it is what it is!

    I contacted Alldata because they don't show support for the 2008, and they never got back to me.

    I have looked through quite a few threads about the HID's, but none that I found diagnois anything. It looks like most of it is just replacing parts. I may have to do that. I have noticed some good threads on r&r of the headlight assembly and I'm sure that will help. Alldata probably has instuctions on how to do that also.

    I realize the parts are expensive. To fix the body work on the car was $3500. Then I spent another $3500 at a dealership and the only thing they got to work was the smart key. They tell me that once I get the airbags fixed, everything else will correct itself. Apparently the codes can't be reset with the airbag problem present. My wife sure likes the car! I hope it is a good one, cause we may have to keep it for a long time to get our money back:)
     
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    A salvage with body damage.... then I'd ignore all the previous suggestions. Start looking the the areas that had the body damage for wiring damage. Check fuses.... check the INPUT voltage to the lamp ballast to see if it's getting 12V.
     
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    Again from mending projectors, the bulbs rarely blow as in working one minute, not working the next. They get dim and start flashing but usually they still strike occasionally. Have you tried looking at hte light while soemone else turns it on. Often they will strike then go out but that will not tell you whether the bulb is the problem or the driver circuit, it merely tells you that power is getting there.
     
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    About the same here

    A complex vehicle like a Prius can be a nightmare when it fubar's

    Oh .... sure ... yeah, right ....
     
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    does the smack test work? (smack the headlamp assy, see if it comes back)
    does it start at pre-start (low glow, first 5 sec or so)

    this is copied over from a previous post on HID failure- it was a general comment but not intended for someone to use to diy test anything.

    the headlight computer (ballast) has 2 wires going into it for the headlight. if, when the lights are turned on, there are 12v in the wires, the problem is either the computer or the wire between the computer and the light. if there isn't 12v in the wires, it's a problem with the wiring in the car, the headlight relay, or the headlight switch.

    and an extra note for your safety:
    unplug the wiring harness that leads to the headlamp assy. test the 12v wires that plug into the assy. do NOT test at the headlamp side. those yellow high voltage stickers aren't kidding, those can lay you out.

    with a salvage vehicle, always assume body wiring first. this saves a lot of money in peripherals, like bulbs and headlamp assemblies. and as always, safety first.
     
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    How does it look underneath? I've seen salvage cars that looked cherry topside, but underneath it's such a butcher job on the unitbody and pieced-together wiring, you want to run away screaming

    jay
     
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    I haven't tried the smack test. Sounds like fun:) I did check to see if there was any hint of light while my wife turned on the lights.....nothing.

    I also read that post on checking the wires going into the ballast. I was going to try that first. The good thing is that even with only one hid there is plenty of light. We had a thick fog the other night and the light that penetrated the fog was amazing. No other vehicle we have would have done that. Can't wait to see what happens when the other one is working:)

    The car is good underneath. The majority of the work was done by my guy and he does a great job. The inspectors (at least in central Alberta) are insane about making sure the vehicle is "like new". It looks like the company who had the car before I got it either started to fix it and then changed their mind or just changed enough body panels to make it look like it hadn't been in an accident. From now on, I have a different plan for checking out vehicles I am going to buy:)
     
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    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    Years ago my dad was looking at a used Triumph sports car. It looked great, and the price was very attractive. He took it to a mechanic for a once-over. The mechanic looked underneath and said: "Wow! I've never seen Bondo on a frame before." Not a good sign.

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    I hope your pops ran away screaming ...