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Discussion in 'Newbie Forum' started by libros, May 25, 2009.

  1. libros

    libros New Member

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    Hello to all great to this site

    Newbie well kind of , My wife is currently on her second Prius (company cars)
    looking to by a new Prius the question is - WE get-bad weather here in Colorado Every now and then !!--LOL
    my wife is driving a base model I am sure
    her Prius is one of the worse cars I have ever driven in the snow and high winds
    etc. My feeling are that the tires that come with car are very low end
    the car dealer says the sport model with bigger rims and better tires
    will solve the problem! :confused:

    Please you views and experiences'
    thanks for your help
     
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    Simply change the tires to something better. The factory tires are pretty poor for travel in bad weather. I've personally never had a problem with them in snow or rain but I've only had to drive in heavy snow twice in this car.

    A great all weather tire that most people seem to agree works well for good MPG and bad weather is the Nokian WR series. The tire was designed in Finland and they know bad weather. :)

    Do a search for Prius AND Wind and see what you come up with. I've never found a great solution for this but then I don't really care to much as it doesn't bother me much anymore.

    This is assuming your tires are aired up properly. Low tires will affect traction and stability so keep them aired up. :)
     
  3. qbee42

    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    Ditto on the tires. At the very least, get rid of the Goodyear Integrity tires and put on good all season tires. With your weather and terrain, I would opt for real snow tires.

    Traction control was vastly improved for the 2006 and later models. Supposedly the 2010 will be even better, but that remains to be seen.

    Tom
     
  4. jayman

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    For snow/ice you do NOT want "bigger" rims. I solved most of my '04 Prius traction control complaints by running a very aggressive studded snow tire

    Goodyear Eur-Winter Tire-UltraGrip 500

    We can get this tire at Canadian Tire here, it's called the Goodyear Nordic in Canada but is otherwise the same as the Ultra Grip 500. Due to the tread design, a very noisy tire on dry roads (Hums at 34-45 mph), but you can't beat it on snow and especially ice

    Living in a mountain area, I would absolutely run studded tires in winter, with chains in reserve in case conditions really went downhill. I briefly lived in Park City, Utah, and ran studded tires on everything, even my 1990 4Runner

    The Prius can be like a sail when you encounter strong side gusts, which are common in mountain driving. I learned to compensate for it, slow down, etc. Under the same conditions, an FJ Cruiser leans over at a crazy angle, and you have to be careful to keep it in its lane
     
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    I'll vouch for that. I took a new 2008 for a test drive, when there was still a bit of snow left around. The TC behavior was light years better than the '04 I used to have
     
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    Hi Libros,

    Steering ergonomics under high side-load conditions, such as gusting winds, greatly improved with a chasis stiffening plate. For mountain and great-plains driving, I think its a must.
     
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    Thanks for all the great posts---we are learning a lot.
    We just left Vail Colorado . WE stopped to chat with a insurance sale man he was driving a 2008 Prius with 17 inch rims and Bridge stone tires
    he told me they had 2 cars fitted the same way.
    He claimed to was a huge improvement!

    what do you think?.

    Also talked with a Nurse said he regretted buying one tires or no tires, very poor in high wind, claimed even in light snow they were difficult to drive
    he does work nights in a ski area bad news for any none with out a 4/4
    I can't drive my wife's car by law and I have not driven one in high wind of bad weather
    she claims this 2009 is better then the 2007 she had
    If we buy one I need to get the bottom of bad weather problems
    any more thoughts:confused:
     
  8. qbee42

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    It's not the larger rims, it's the tires. Jayman's advice is spot on. Run studded winter tires if you can. The stock rims are fine, and will work as well or better than larger rims.

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    I commute daily from Aurora to Colorado Springs. I have fairly cheap Bridgestone all season tires and find my Prius no worse in the snow than any other FWD on all season tires. One thing I do like is the instant torque at zero MPH. Most cars you have to get reved up a bit to get moving on snow. The Prius, being partially electric produces maximum torque at zero RPM. You can gently and carefully walk the Prius forward with exceptional speed control if you have a sensitive right foot and don't floor it like in a "conventional" FWD. Avoiding spin is the key to winter traction, and the Prius is so controllable you can really reduce spin. For even better winter traction, consider a modern winter tire like the Bridgestone Blizzak or the Hankook Ice Bear (which I run on the wife's Impala).

    As for wind sensitivity, even over Monument Pass I see little more wind sensitivity than with many other cars I've owned. Most FWD cars are sensitive to front wheel alignment - I plan to have my alignment checked this weekend just to see if that might improve steering input sensitivity at 75.

    The Prius works well here on the Front Range!
     
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    my wife daily drives from north Bloomfield
    and in and out of Denver to boulder (rt 36 last snow storm there were a dozen Prius stuck going to boulder scared the hell out of me)
    it good to here you not have major troubles
    thanks for the words of encouragement:)
     
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    Keep in mind that it has low clearance, so even good snow tires will not turn the thing into a snow plow. Neither can it be rocked if stuck.
     
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    I can rock my 2006, and have done so on many occasions. All it takes is a quick hand on the shifter.

    Tom
     
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    Well, OK, you gurus can do it, but not us ordinary mortals.
     
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    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    Not so much a guru, but simply necessity from living too far north. :)

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    Yeah, that was one thing about the '04 I used to have: once bogged down, it would NOT rock. Just refused to turn the front wheels, TC light flashing

    Too bad the snow wasn't deeper when I test drove that '08. I could have tried purposely burying it, then determined if it could be rocked
     
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    Rims 17 inch
    a local Head service manager of Toyota , Honda and others
    TOLD ME THE BIGGER RIMS ARE A HUGE HELP IN SNOW BECAUSE THE RAISE THE GROUND CLEARANCE
    NOW THE GUY HAS NO INTEREST IN SELLING ME ANYTHING
    also I spoke to 3 cap drivers all agreed bigger rims would help and all hated the tires the came with the car

    whats you take on this:confused:
     
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    I'd say they are idiots.

    Larger diameter rims DO NOT raise the gound clearance of the car unless you fail to "plus size" your new tires accordingly. I.E. when you go to a larger diameter wheel you have to run a lower profile tire to ensure you keep the overall rolling diameter (tire/wheel combo) the same as OEM. So it doesn't matter if wether you run a 185/65/15 or a 215/45/17, the overall diameter stays the same and thus your vehicle height will stay the same.

    If they are telling your to run a larger diamter wheel and NOT plus size your tire/wheel combo then I would avoid their advice altogether unless they also told you about recalibrating your speedmeter and other issues that may result from running a larger than stock diameter wheel/tire combo. :)

    From Les Schwab Tire Center
     
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    hyo silver Awaaaaay

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    Don't you mean too far East? I live norther than you, and don't have nearly so much snow trouble. ;)
     
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    I have an '04 Prius. Orig. tires (Goodyear Infinity) were great on rainy roads and on ice. Ground clearance sucks - I read that the Gen III gr. clrnce is to be 5.5" -- better than the Gen II's 4.9". By the way, can anyone tell me how the driver's room is (head, leg & shoulder) in the Gen III? I'm 6'4", and my '04 is fine. But that Gen III console scares me. Has anyone logged much drive time in the 2010? Thanks.
     
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    A fantastic non-studded snow tire is Nokian WR G2. They are traction rated with the sSnowflake Ebmlem on the side wall. Can be run all year round, and have 50,000 mile tread wear warrantee.

    Search for "Nokian WR" on this site and find many other endorsements.

    Old version was Nokian WR and new improved version is Nokian WR G2 (generation 2)

    Anybody know when Nokian will deliver the G3 for G III prius?

    I also added the BT Tech Stiffening Plate for no mor trouble in cross wind and BT Tech Stud Tower Brace for more improvement.