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Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Main Forum' started by wookie, Jun 15, 2009.

  1. wookie

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    HI I'm new here-2nd post ever. I've been lurking and learning and I have to say thanks to everyone here. I picked up my 2010 White Blizzard Pearl IV w/Nav in Nashville, TN a week ago Friday and knew so much more than the dealership about my car. My salesman asked me if I wanted to be his assistant...I declined but said he could be mine! I'm new to the Prius so I can't compare and contrast like most folks here.

    I have many things that I like about the car but a few things that bug me that have already been discussed like the rear-view mirror really vibrating if the bass on the stereo is turned up a tad. I've had to readjust and almost turn the bass off completely. I also had no idea it did not have electric seats--that was a real bummer to me at first but I'm adjusting. Floor mat colors were a shock but I'm adjusting to that as well. Here is the real kicker that I wish someone would explain to me.

    Here is the real deal. When I picked my car up I was given two key fobs as would be normal. I read in the manual that a metal card or something like that was also suppose to come with it so you could have an extra key made. That card has your key code or numerical code on it. I asked about it today when I took my car in for some customization of locking, illumination etc. They told me they had never seen one of those cards come with a car in over 16 yrs. I said OK fine what happens if you loose your fob? They told me that I would be out of luck and stuck..thanks but I already figured that part out! My husband has the 2nd fob so I decided it would be a safe idea to get a spare. Now remember that there is a 'real key' in the end of your key fob that you can remove if your fob goes dead to use in the key hole. I asked how much $$$ knowing that these new fobs can be expensive.....I replaced a Land Rover fob once and about died when they gave me the price. Guess what they want for a new key fob? Give Up? $400.00 is what they quoted me. I said you must be kidding me? Nope they said this was the first car Toyota has made with a Laser Cut Key-they said Lexus might have one out now but that most dealerships can't make a laser key because they don't have the equipment. OK so now we have a new technology that the dealership can't deal with. They told me they would have to send the key out to be made. I asked them to where? Japan for God's sake? So after picking myself up off the floor I asked how much it would be to just make the little key and forget the whole Fob job. They said $100.00 dollars for that little key PLUS $45.00 to program it. I again picked myself up off the floor. I'm about to take this car on a long vacation trip to Florida and I'm a bit scared that I might somehow loose my fob so I bit the bullet and ordered just the key. I had to leave my car there over night and now I'm kind of PO'd over this whole thing. Yes, I could take the little key out of the other fob and hide it somewhere in case I lost or got my purse stolen or something but the real deal is that you just can't go to a dealership and get another one made. I'd be stuck for who knows how long in Florida or where ever. They told me they didn't know how long it would take to get a new one sent out and back. Now it's not like I was thinking a new Fob would be cheap. I was actually expecting it to be about $150.00 or so based on replacing the one for my Land Rover and my friend had to replace a Porche Fob and it was right at $200 or so. Someone please tell me I'm having a bad nightmare and that I'll wake up and this will all be over with. I also really examined the Fob today and of course the little key is part of the hook that allows you to put the fob on your key ring. If you take the key out you have no way of attaching the fob to anything. BAD DESIGN TOYOTA! Put a ring in the fob itself not on the little key PLEASE. Did anyone else realize this beforehand? I'm in shock. I'm thinking of cancelling the order first thing in the morning. I asked when they would have the machine to make laser keys and they said it would probably be a long time and this is coming from one of the largest Toyota dealers around these parts. All they said was "Gone are the days that you can go to the hardware store and buy a $2 key. That made me feel so warm and fuzzy. I also know there is a lot of technology in those keys but common folks......that price is rediculous. Comments please.
     
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  2. efusco

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    1)Please use paragraphs--it is so hard to read and comprehend a huge run on, I had to highlight sections so i could sort of follow.

    2)I'm not sure why you're so concerned about getting a 3rd key/fob. You have two, if you lose one you can buy another at that time and just use your second one until the replacement comes.

    3)I would have gone to a real lock-smith to see if they could cut you a replacement mechanical key, but I can't say I know for certain what the truth is here. But it's very very rare to need to use the mechanical key at all. Chances are you'll lose the $150 3rd key before you ever need to use one of the ones in your key fob.
     
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    Yea, we knew the fobs were expensive - I've had these since my 2004 w/ SKS (obtained in Oct 2003) and never lost any of them. The primary driver keeps one and the other stays in a key cabinet in the house. The metal tag is in a separate area.

    If yours didn't come w/ the metal tag, it's because your dealer "kindly" removed it for you.
     
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    Where do you live in the Nashville area? I am in Franklin, have a Prius V on order, and would love to meet-up so I can take a look at your car. Would this potentially work for you?

    Scott
     
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    So how much are the fobs on Gen 2s? I don't think it is at all unreasonable for someone to want to have a third key (or even a 4th). In our family, we don't really have "his" and "hers" cars - we drive whatever suits us best for that day, so it isn't an option to keep one fob safe and sound in the house. When our daughter is old enough to drive, she will have keys to all vehicles too (assuming she is a decent driver and half way responsible).

    And reality is that people lose keys sometimes. Spare keys should cost less than what I am willing to pay for jewelery - which is prettier and harder to lose. ;P
     
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    Sorry about the huge post and run on. I'm new here so I will watch out for that. I was told that this is brand new technology and that you can not have a mechanical key made for it since the key is linked to the car in whatever ways ( I don't profess to know the technological specs of all that)

    Secondly, I guess you have never lost a key. Congrats, but I have and I was lucky my husband was in the vicinity and had his on him to come rescue me. My point was that IF you loose your key and your 500 hundreds miles away you can't run down to your local dealership and have them whip one up for you (at least that was what my dealership told me) and if you can it seems a very steep price to pay. Obviously to a new Prius owners like me that price seems really high and my point again was to maybe alert others to make sure and separate your key from the fob or take both fobs with you when you travel away from home as a back up. That is not something my family usually does but I guess we will learn to do it or be without if something should happen.

    To have a dealership tell me that they have no idea how long it would take to get a replacement key was a bit unnerving to me but you guys seem to have your key situation under control. I don't think you can just call a lock smith in whilst in the middle of a crisis unless I'm understanding this completely wrong which is why I posted this in the first place. The dealer did give me the key number so they have it stored in their computer it seems and so I have it now also.
     
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    Welcome, Wookie! :welcome:

    I bought a 2009 this year, and had a third SKS fob made. This cost about $260, including the programming. I think that it should have really cost $280, but that is another story.

    I would imagine that the G3 SKS fob would be similarly priced, but who knows? Some Toyota dealers are notorious for overpricing, and they could be charging a lot more than need be.

    And "laser cut keys" for the Prius? I'll have to ask my dealer next time, to see what they say. G2 doesn't have that, to the best of my knowledge.

    The mechanical key can only unlock the door. It cannot run the car. Locking the SKS in the car is almost impossible unless it is dead, or you lock the car with the pushbutton on the other fob (although pushing the interior lock button may work, also). The Prius will know that you have left a fob in the car, and will not let you lock the car by pressing the external SKS lock sensor.

    Keep in mind that you have the level IV, which has the three door SKS. Conceivably, you never will have to take the fob out of your pocket or purse. As such, the chance of losing it is diminshed somewhat.
     
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    Scott,
    I'm probably 50-60 miles away from you. I'd be glad to show you my new baby. I do love her and all the technology that goes with her (key fob shock or not). However, I'm scheduled to embark on my travels to Florida next week so the timing won't be good for me until after July 4th. Hopefully, you will have your car-kid in by then and will be cruising the streets of Franklin. I'm sure you will love the car esp. the V package.

    With these hot, muggy days upon us here in the South I was almost regretting not getting the solar moon roof when I got in my car today but then I came back to reality and remembered what winter, spring and fall are like and decided I made the right choice. I'll keep an eye out and if you haven't received your car by the time I get back I'll check in with you OK?
     
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    I would suggest having a fob key made now, it might take a while if they have to make the fob key in Japan. That way, if you misplace the fob key, you would have a spare. 200.00 - 300.00 is not unreasonable for this type of fob key. I keep my fob key in a key cabinet in the kitchen and the other fob key is in another room in a floor safe.
     
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    By the time you need a new FOB this place will have them.

    Keyless Remotes from Remote SuperStore

    I lost one for my Mazda RX8 and the dealer wanted $350 for the FOB and $125 to program it. The above link has used ones for $69 and new ones for $89. Same exact branded FOB as dealer sells.
     
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    jburns - they're still Toyota parts fortunately - pricing isn't bad, but by the time you get the dealer to program it, you're not much better off.
     
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    Thank you Yardman 49 for the gracious welcome! I appreciate you realizing I'm new here and to the Prius and apt to make a few stumbles along the way.

    Yes, I'm quite aware that locking your fob in the car is difficult. I have gotten out of my car twice now and tried to lock the doors only to have it give me some stern warning beeps. OK I hate to admit this but I had left the car running...... the car is dead silent to me when in electric mode and I'm just figuring out how all this works and I just got out without turning it off and tried to lock it. I had only driven a Prius once before so this is all new territory to me and my husband. This is my commuter car and he has only driven it once and I had to sort of 'push' him to drive it-he is somewhat shy of it. I'm the geeky one.

    Driving this car is not like driving an ordinary car but then all of you Prius owners know this. Us newbies have a lot to learn but I'm really getting the hang of it and I'm avg. right at 55 mpg. My best avg. on my commute to work which is roughly 23 miles one way has been 64.1 mgp. I think that is quite good for someone who has learned to drive their car by reading all these great posts here at PriusChat.com

    OK I'll stop with all the key fob stuff but just to make myself clear, I'm really not worried about locking my fob in the car. As you pointed out it is very, very difficult to do. I'm worried that my purse might get stolen or that I'll be at the beach and drop my keys in the sand or that I'll just wig out and loose them period and then what? I'll have my key code but what good will that do me if no one can make a darn key? I guess you men don't loose keys. You have pockets for them. I also had a car stolen and recovered without the key of course so maybe I'm just a bit more paranoid than others.

    I do realize some dealerships up-charge more than others. I'd be curious to know what other dealerships are pricing this at thus the reason to perhaps cancel my order in the am and check around for other options. Maybe another Toyota dealership can make this in house if they have the proper equipment or maybe the service rep I dealt with just has this all wrong. Either way the $400.00 quote is by far the most expensive key fob price I have ever heard of period--end of story.
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    Saved me quite a bit. I got a real cheap programming after threatening to never drive a car onto their lot again. Programming is basically all profit.
     
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    Haven't made one for the 2010 yet as we have just started selling them this month, but the 2009 models came in under $300 total for the remote, key cut, and the programming. If you were to make a key and remote for any other Toyota with the engine immobilizer feature you would pay roughly $250 total. It's not that much of a difference.
     
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    I've lost more keys than I care to mention. So I keep several mechanical keys as spares, and keep a dumb keyfob hidden inside the car. When I go trail running, I carry two mechanical keys, one that I intend to use, and another one in my pack as a backup. The key gets me into the car, and the dumb keyfob gets it started. The $200 full SKS keyfobs stay home. A dumb keyfob is one that doesn't work as a remote or SKS, but does allow you to start the car (that would be most eBay keyfobs, regardless of claims to the contrary).


    There is a company in Canada that will create a laser cut key from a photo of the key. Cost is apparently $40 ($20 for the key, $20 for cutting it). They are at keysfast.info

    They also show a photo of the 2010 Prius keyfob for sale at about $130.

    I've never used them, so I can't vouch for the service. But it sure looks promising.

    I haven't heard of anybody doing it yet, but it may be possible to use a Gen2 keyfob on a 2010. If I had a 2010, I'd certainly try programming the car to accept an older keyfob for the ignition. The Gen2 has a place where you insert the keyfob into a slot in the dash. On the 2010, the same function is achieved by holding the keyfob near the Power button. Use the first set of instructions at http://priuschat.com/forums/knowled...lly-how-program-non-sks-key-fob-detailed.html

    For the full SKS/remote functions, it doesn't make sense to try the older keyfob. Just get the proper one from a dealer (or maybe keyfast). A dumb keyfob is useful as a backup, but you really want a full function one for daily use.
     
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    Hi Wookie, my dealer gave me a ring with a metal tag and a number on it so that if I do lose my key fobs then they could make me new ones from that. Your dealer is mis-informed. I'm holding mine in my hand right now. I'm not sure why they didn't give you the same thing but Toyota should provide it for you. I'd ask them again and then call up Toyota and tell them about it. I'm sure they will "find" the missing part after that. :D
     
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    $249 at my dealer and that price will vary. "thought" we had lost one fob...looked for it for several months. so basically Murphy's Law goes...

    finally went and bought another Fob, it was around $189 and 60 to program or it was $219 and $40 to program... dont remember which. but there is a thread here that talks about it. apparently the fob price is pretty static but the programming cost varies a lot.

    so after spending a good 3-4 months looking for it, finally gave up and went and got one. less than 2 weeks later, found the key in my son's room. now this is a room that is a complete disaster on a daily basis, so a little bit of picking up is done just about every day. so we pretty sure it wasnt in there... but

    so now we have 3.
     
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    Hey Wookie, all Toyota's come with a key code imprinted on a metal plate. They are very small and can be easy to lose. It's the easiest way for the dealership to create a new key for you. Not to worry if you don't have one, because with your VIN they will still be able to create a key. :)
     
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    Harmony between Man, Nature and Machine doesn't come cheap.

    You paid a premium for your paint, bought a Prius IV and paid for Navigation.

    If you want the luxury of an additional Key Fob it's going to cost money as well.

    As the dealer stated, "Gone are the days of simply having a $2.00 key made". Enjoy the convience of the technology, but with the understanding that sometimes that means increased cost.

    I think if it was me, I'd gamble that the odds that you and your husband both lose your fobs simultaneously would be extremely high.

    I also think your dealer was being less than friendly. I'm guessing if you were stranded a Toyota dealer could expedite a fob replacement. We live in a world were almost anything can be shipped anywhere in less than 24 hours.

    It was probably a lazy or tired dealer saying that you would be out of luck if you lost your fob. I'm sure it isn't Toyotas policy, nor should it be a Toyota's dealers policy to say losing a fob is a "your out of luck" scenario.

    Maybe Just a dealer trying to scare you into buying an extra and expensive fob.

    You just need to determine if the peace of mind of having an extra fob is worth the cost. You paid for Pearly White Paint I think springing for the expensive Fob is just another luxury. Do you want it?
     
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    Uhhh..... so does that mean that if I get a Prius II with no frills my key fob will be cheaper because I didn't spring for all the extras? Your logic doesn't make any sense. $400 is a lot of money.