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2009 Mercury Mariner hybrid review

Discussion in 'Ford/Lincoln Hybrids and EVs' started by JackDodge, Apr 13, 2009.

  1. JackDodge

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    First, let's talk about tax credit. If you buy a Toyota hybrid, you're pretty much out of luck in that department. The same can be said for Honda although I seem to recall the IRS webpage mentioning that there is still one Honda that qualifies. On the other hand, if you buy a Ford hybrid you can still count on the tax credit to offset part of the extra cost. For the two-wheel drive Mariner hybrid, you can get a $3000 tax credit. For me with the 4X4, I only got $1950.

    According to blogspot.com, the 2009 Mariner hybrid has an 11% improvement in horsepower and a 1 mpg improvement over the previous model.
    2009 Ford Escape Hybrid and Mercury Mariner Hybrid ~ Hybrid Car Review
    The model that I bought has full-time four wheel drive and did not come with the navigation system. This doesn't bother me at all, actually. I've not had a navigation system before so I don't know what I'm missing. That can be a good thing. Being a veteran hybrid owner, I can pretty much tell when the engine isn't running and don't really need a display screen to remind me to get good mileage. Besides, there are two displays on the dash that do give me the information I do need such as average mpg and how many miles I have left before running out of gasoline.

    The Mariner comes with Sync, as many Ford cars do. It's a voice-activated system that allows me to control my bluetooth cellphone and my iPod. I know that it does other things but those two are what I use. It's great to be able to tell the car to call someone and it does it so that I don't have to fiddle with the phone myself. The iPod can connect to either the USB port or the audio jack port. When using USB, of course, it charges the iPod and Sync can control it so all that I have to do is hit the media button on the steering wheel, say to it “USB” then tell it to play whatever I want. Of course, since Sync is associated with Microsoft, it has a problem with any songs that apparently didn't come from a legitimate source such as a prerecorded CD or iTunes. I have one song that I sort of created where one song is interlaced with another (both from prerecorded CDs) and every time that I connect the iPod, Sync tells me that it couldn't index all songs, blah blah blah. Otherwise, Sync is great and one of Ford's best features. Unlike GM's OnStar, Sync has nothing to do with security and doesn't require a monthly subscription fee. My Mariner does come with a free six-month subscription to Sirius satellite radio though. That's pretty cool.

    As I said in a previous post, the car has zero defects and no fit and finish problems. The interior is bright and the moon roof adds to that. All of the interior's materials are attractive and fit well together. The steering wheel is leather-wrapped and a thick, soft feel to it without being squishy. The seats are neither too big nor too small. The back is broad so that it doesn't cramp my shoulders. In order to fold down the back seats for more cargo, you have to remove the headrests, then you slide the seat cushions out and they fold down against the front seats and on to the floor. This allows the backs to fold down and lock to the floor. There is a third headrest that is a little thing in the middle that cracks me up. It almost looks like an afterthought but it has the advantage of not obstructing my rearview which is probably what Ford had in mind.

    The car doesn't handle like a sports car, exactly, but it is a little more responsive than the HiHy. The car also handles well in corners and curves. I don't get the vague feeling that I got with the HiHy that a sharp turn will tip it over but the Highlander and the Mariner are very different in that the HiHy is more like a full-sized SUV whereas the Mariner is on the small side. This is one reason why I like the Mariner a lot more than the Highlander. Toyota seems to be incapable of offering a small SUV hybrid.

    The tires of my Mariner are big and beefy. It was a bit of a happy coincidence that two days after I got the 4X4 Mariner, it snowed here. The Mariner handles very well in snow and I was able to hang a sharp right turn without slipping much. The vehicle is not only equipped with anti-lock brakes, it also has stability, traction and roll control that can be turned off with a switch at the bottom of the center dashboard. A very useful feature if you ever get stuck and need the extra control. Overall, the Mariner feels very secure and stable in snow and very wet roads.

    If you have a Highlander hybrid, you may have an Econ buttom. When turned on, it basically idles half of the cylinders so that you get better mileage, not to mention a more sluggish engine. It also has an EV button that is practically worthless since it doesn't work in many circumstances but I digress. The Mariner hybrid has an Econ button, too, but it does something different. What it does is keeps the AC compressor from engaging so that you can actually run the car in EV mode with the AC on, albeit in a reduced capacity.

    The exterior has some nice features, including a cap-less fuel filler. No more worries about unscrewing a gas cap that gets in the way or scuffs the paint job. The exterior mirrors are big which gives me more viewing area than the HiHy's mirrors. The rear door's window pops open when I push the unlock button on the key fob. The HiHy that I had didn't do that but I understand that others do. It's a really useful feature that should be standard. There are two buttons on the rear door. One opens the door itself and the other will open the window.

    The Mariner has a 15-gallon fuel tank and a one thousand pound towing capacity. Since all that I ever intend on “towing” with the Mariner is my bike rack and a bike or two, one thousand pounds is plenty. As I stated in a previous post, the EPA estimates are 29 city and 27 highway but I found it almost effortless to achieve 34 in the city and 32 in mixed driving.

    Nitpicking
    There are a few things that I feel need to be improved upon. Since Ford does seem to listen to hybrid owners here or elsewhere, if I mention them, perhaps they'll take a look at these as well. First and foremost, the cruise control has four buttons on the steering wheel. On a Toyota, there's the third stalk on the steering column. The advantage to the Toyota way of doing it is that you never have to take your hand off of the steering wheel or your eyes off of the road. Simply push in the button on the end of the cruise control's stalk to enable it, lift it up and your cruising speed is set. Push it down and it decreases. Push it up and it increases. Pull it toward you and it disengages. That is intuitive and very cool. With four buttons, I have to look down or feel my way through counting them. Not cool at all. The other thing that was somewhat irritating is how busy the center console's button array is. Rows and rows of buttons and four or five big knobs that control fan speed, temperature and volume on the stereo. I still haven't gotten used to which is which but after looking at pictures of Mariner hybrids with the navigation system, this is a problem that they don't seem to have. Lastly, and this is nitpicking, there aren't many places to put stuff. The center armrest has a fair-sized compartment but it's not very big. The glove compartment is rather smallish and that's pretty much it. I'd like to see more places to secure things but the Mariner isn't the only car out there that lacks this feature.

    Overall, this is a great car and, quite frankly, Ford does a better job with the SUV segment of the hybrid market than Toyota does. If you have a large family, you'll be attracted to the third row of the HiHy but I was talking to a woman in the parking lot who has one and she says that she's only getting 24 mpg with it. She was intrigued with my Mariner hybrid with its 34 mpg and tax credit. But she was interested in replacing her Honda Civic hybrid which is pretty cramped when you have to fit a family in to it. From experience with friends who have three kids and two large dogs, I know that the Escape/Mariner has room for them all. One happy surprise is that I don't get charged the extra money at the car wash that they charge owners of large vehicles. With the Mariner hybrid, I get the best of both worlds, really good mileage and a truck that has four-wheel drive and room to spare. Did I mention zero defects? :cool:
     
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    I sat in one that was - briefly - on display in Winnipeg. Overall I was impressed with it, the Mariner easily competes with the HiHy

    I'm sure you'll be happy with it. I sold my '04 almost two weeks ago to a taxi operator, am still unsure what direction to go
     
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    Thanks for the mini review JackDodge. I've tested both the 05 and 08 FEH (No Mercurys up here any more except for the Grand Marquis). The 08 FEH is a definitely improvement over the 05. Any updates for 09 or 10?

    Jay... a 2010 or are you thinking another type of vehicle?
     
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    Duh ... FEH. There are no more Mercury vehicles in Canada. I thought the Escape was reasonably well put together
     
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    wasn't sure if you were gonna go for an SUV since you already have one. Yeah the hybrid system is great. It's just the plastics that are still not up to snuff (but improved over the 05 version for sure).
     
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    If you lift up that the black plastic container in the center console there is a even an even bigger storage area. You can almost fit a whale in there...not really, but you get the idea.

    I had a 2009 Ford Escape Hybrid Limited and traded it in 1.5 months ago. It is a great SUV if you need one. It has nice pick up and decent cargo area. When the engine is running it is pretty noisy though. The plastics are not up to par either. I really hated the light interior it only came in and all the different color plastics. Plus all the plastics have a hard feel to them and nothing soft. I have gone through my share of hybrids...HCHII, Prius, FEHL, and now a Prius again. The FEH is about the same size as a Prius I think, but when I am comfortable behind the wheel there was very little rear leg room. The Prius is just the perfect vehicle for me. But, I do miss the high seating, moonroof, heated seats, navigation which tells you the closest gas station and prices, movie times, weather, traffic, the music keg you can download your music onto, and SYNC. I had a 2WD model and had no problems with the snow in Chicago. The added weight of the battery in the rear made the rear stay put.
     
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    Yeah, I know how to lift the plastic tray off and see that the center console compartment is a lot bigger. It's just not that big and I have to lift the container off to get at it. I'd just like to see a couple of smaller compartments within easy reach to put a few things but it's not a big enough deal to detract from the overall appeal of the car. I know what you're saying. I liked the Prius fine and there are times when I miss it but it's a little too small for me and I spent the 90s in sedans so I'm glad that Ford has something a little bigger that I can easily get 32 mpg with. I have to reiterate that I believe that Toyota dropped the ball on this segment. They should have made the Rav4 a hybrid instead of the Highlander but the Mariner is my perfect car. I just don't see getting rid of this one for a long time.
     
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    how much was it?
     
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    More than likely, a car. I've noticed dealers are getting more aggressive about moving their '09 Prius.

    I briefly thought of trading the FJ for a HiHy. In the last 6 months, I've put 3,087 km on my FJ, so I wouldn't gain anything with a HiHy

    The nice thing about the plastic floor of my FJ, if I get in with muddy or slushy boots, I don't cry at the thought of ruining the interior
     
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    Exactly. Easy to keep clean.

    Yeah.. $2k off plus low financing offers. According to CarCostCanada, they're not making very many Pkg "B"s any more. It's either A, C, or D. (so base, premium package without 16" alloys or nav pack).
     
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    I got my '04 "B" to have the VSC, side and head curtain airbags. Now that these features are standard across the line, the base car would be fine. No SKS, but that isn't so important to me
     
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    mm same here. I wanted VSC and airbags. SKS was a cool option too.

    The base car is driver's door SKS. The Premium Package adds the 3-dr SKS.
     
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    Didn't know that about driver door SKS. There is no black button on the driver door of the base that I saw, maybe I didn't pay attention
     
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    I posted my experiences driving a Mariner Hybrid in one of these threads--I guess it wasn't this one.
    Before buying my Prius (or even driving one), I drove an 08 Mariner hybrid at a dealership. It was loaded, $34K, and the only one they had in stock.It had the CVT transmission.I have had an SUV, and like the elevated visibility you get. The first thing I noticed on the test drive was the power steering was excessive. Not enough feel. Other than that, I liked it a lot. It was quiet and responsive on the road. The interior finish was very nice--better, I was told, than the Escape. But then it is a tad more expensive than the Escape. There was a $2750? rebate at the time for the 08s.

    I also had the option of ordering an 09--with a base price of around $30K for the 2x2
    (the 4x4 is better for the snow states, but it's $2K more expensive and gets lower gas mileage). That seemed like the better option for me, but the rebate picture was unknown at the time for the 09s. Congress seems to be slow in extending rebates--but then that's Congress.

    Next, I drove an 08 Prius at a dealership. It handled better than the Mariner, and was peppier. Surprising power, actually. I was impressed by the dashboard layout, which is strictly spaceship, if you know what I mean. Also the magic keyless system (did the Mariner have that?). I also like the functionality--4 door hatchback--perfect for my needs. But most importantly, it was $10K cheaper than the Mariner! At $24K I think it was fairly priced for the technology.

    I wound up getting the Prius, which suited my needs better for far cheaper. However,
    Ford should be applauded for the Escape/Mariner hybrid. Too bad they don't make many of them--not nearly as many as they could have sold.They had the foresight to license the Toyota hybrid technology, which gave them the highest mileage SUV on the market. But SUVs are expensive,the interior space in the Mariner isn't much different from the Prius, and you take a towing penalty with an SUV hybrid. Ford was late producing a hybrid sedan of higher mileage, perhaps because of licensing restrictions with Toyota.
     
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    Since AT&T and the federal government are planning on buying a lot of hybrids from Ford, it will get more difficult to find one as time goes on so I'd buy one now while you still can.
     
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    It's that time of the year again where hybrid drivers, at least this hybrid driver, get their best mpg. That's because we don't need the heater or the A/C, or even the headlights that much, so the mileage goes up in the spring. I've been testing the Mariner by using the heater one day then not on the next. If I set the temperature at 72 with the fan on next to lowest setting, it doesn't affect the mileage much, if at all. I've also gotten a bit more experimental with routes to and from the office than I was with my previous hybrids. I've found ways to stay off of the freeway and maintain a more uniform speed. I've also found that if I can drive 60 on the freeway that my mileage doesn't go down. Obviously, that's something that can be tricky, especially in rush hour.

    With all of the above, I'm currently getting, and maintaining 36 mpg. I was able to do that for the entire last tank and am doing so with the one I'm on now. Once the real heat sets in, I'll probably see a drop off in mpg but I'm really happy with 36. Also, the car still has zero defects and the 4X4 makes driving in a steady hard rain a very secure experience. I neglected to say up front that Ford recommends an oil change every 10,000 miles versus the 5,000 mile interval of the Toyota hybrids that I've owned.
     
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    It probably depends on regional Ford policy, but the Motorcraft 5W-20 is actually a very good motor oil. I wouldn't be afraid running it 10,000 miles
     
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    Just another boring follow-up. Still zero defects and I'm currently getting 37 mpg sustainable. I was getting 38 regularly for quite a while but it dropped one mpg when the weather got cooler at night. The A/C doesn't appear to affect the mileage at all since I keep the thermostat (for lack of a better term) at five degrees or so below the outside temperature and even then only when it's a hot, humid summer day.

    No real complaints other than what I put in the initial review. No issues, no recalls, no problems and the car has a ton of room in it that allows even an extended camping trip with all my stuff.
     
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    I think the Ford hybrids are a great step in the right direction. Had a chance to sit in a new Fusion hybrid, very nice interior
     
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