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Mountain road trip

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Main Forum' started by pdth, Aug 3, 2009.

  1. pdth

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    This weekend we completed the break-in period for our 2010 Prius, and wanted to see what the car could really do. So we loaded up the new car with 2 adults, 2 teenagers, the dog, and all our luggage, and headed out for our first mountain road trip: to Rocky Mountain National Park.

    I haven't seen much first-hand information about mountain driving in a Gen3 Prius, so I thought I would describe our experience. We have a plain vanilla (actually winter gray metallic) trim line 2, with factory tires and nothing special on it. We filled the tank with regular unleaded, 85 octane, filled our tummies with Starbucks, reset the trip meter, and off we went!

    In normal driving we keep the car in Eco Mode, which works fine when tooling around close to home. We left our home in the Denver suburbs, at 6500 feet elevation, passed through downtown Denver at 5300 feet, then headed up Interstate 70. We switched into Power mode at Golden, about 35 miles into the trip, when the Interstate really starts to climb.

    We were very impressed with the car's power. Climbing the 6-7% grade on I-70, we easily sped up from 65 to 75mph to execute passing maneuvers. After exiting at US40 we climbed to Berthoud Pass at 11300 feet. Again, even at the higher altitude we easily passed people at 75mph on grades of around 10%. The car felt as though it could go much faster, but there's no place on this road where it's safe to go faster than 75. At the top of Berthoud Pass, our fuel economy indicator said 42mpg, the battery indicator around 75%.

    The north side of Berthoud Pass is notorious for burned-out brakes on the steep winding descent. Dropping to Winter Park at 9100 feet, we tried out the different combinations of Power Mode, the B "gearshift" setting, light touch on the brakes for regenerative braking, and regular brakes. When you're in Power Mode, the computer keeps the engine running most of the time, even on the downhill. That means it can use both regen braking and regular compression braking. You can easily hear and feel the difference as each one kicks in. The "B" setting greatly enhanced the compression braking, especially in combination with Power Mode. We needed a light touch on the brake pedal when entering each hairpin turn. This activated a stronger form of regen braking, which was sufficient to slow the car. We used the friction brake only once on the descent. On arriving at Winter Park, the brakes didn't feel hot at all.

    The Rockies are criss-crossed with 4WD trails to all sorts of interesting places, and we have camped at many. Some of the trails are smooth enough that a careful driver can bring a 2WD car. Rollins Pass, above Winter Park, is one of these. So up we went. The primitive road is rocky in places, steep in places, muddy in places, sometimes all three. The climb was really easy for the Prius, which hardly seemed to be breathing hard even on slopes of 20%. Here's our Prius at the summit, 11660 feet in elevation. The fuel economy indicator said 41mpg. We did lightly scrape the bottom in a couple of spots, but not hard enough to do any damage. The skid plates underneath did their job well. The wildflowers were gorgeous.

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    We descended to Granby at 7900 feet, then up Trail Ridge Road to the high point of the trip at 12200 feet (one of the highest paved roads in the nation), where the fuel economy indicator had risen to 44mpg. Trail Ridge Rd is limited to 35mph and that probably helped the gas mileage.

    Down to our hotel at Estes Park, 7500 feet, then up the next day to the Lake Isabelle trailhead, near Nederland, at 10500 feet. Again, no problems, a very enjoyable ride with the air conditioning blasting the whole way with outside temps in the 80s. At the trailhead the fuel economy indicator said 44mpg. The trip back to Golden is very rugged with steep ups and downs and sharp curves. The Prius was rock-steady in the turns, like it was on rails. At Golden we switched back to Eco mode for the trip home.

    Overall the trip was 357 miles with average fuel economy of 48mpg. We used 7.8 gallons of gas, or 2/3 of a tank, for $18. We made the car work hard, but never had to floor it, never had an engine ping, never a complaint from the brakes or battery. Other than the bicycles, we were probably the least polluting vehicle in the park. Great car.
     
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  2. hobbit

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    Nice report. Sounds like the 2nd-gen altitude problem has been
    dealt with, which is likely why Toyota added an ambient-barometric
    sensor to the system for 2010.
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    hobbit, I just noticed this great article you wrote awhile back: http://www.techno-fandom.org/~hobbit/cars/b-mode.html. Have you thought about updating it for 2010, taking Power mode into account?
     
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    pdth,

    Well, now you've made me even more impatient to get my Prius. You've also beautifully described why it is wonderful to live in Colorado!
     
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    There shouldn't be any difference in "B" mode behavior in the
    2010, really. So many other operational attributes are almost
    absolutely unchanged, and I've done all the low-speed fooling
    around in "B" to confirm what I knew, that I don't expect high
    descents to be different either. I haven't had a chance to take
    a 2010 through the big rises yet, but I'm sure the other notice-everything
    techie folks will eventually do so.
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    Thanks for the road story recap and observations.
     
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    pdth,

    Nice write-up. I'm heading over the mountains in late September and hoping the snows hold off until I get back. Also, I'm probably going up I-25 then across I-80. I expect the winds in Wyoming will be an interesting test. --TK
     
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    Thanks. Yes, it does seem to get blown around in the wind a bit. I-80 would be a good test.
     
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    An enjoyable read, thanks. Should have my 2010 by the end of the month and I'll try it in the mountains this fall.

    I have noticed that all of the low CD cars I have driven in the wind seem pretty unstable including my Gen2 Prius and even my BMW to some extent. They do great when the wind is directly ahead but when it's off to the side or the front quarter they get pretty flaky. I think it's just something we just have to put up with. I suspect higher tire pressures may help a little bit.
     
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    Great report! Thanks for sharing! I have to ask about your downgrade drive. Did you notice the little battery indicator top off from the rengen braking and if so, did you ever see the mysterious red/pink top bar? :rolleyes:
     
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    I don't have enough Prius experience to comment about it yet.

    My lightweight, low-CD '86 Accord Hatchback was my most stable car ever in gusting crosswinds. My Subaru Legacy, much heavier and significantly worse CD, though very stable on bad road surfaces, is very noticeably worse than the Accord in gusty crosswinds.
     
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    It did go all the way to the top, but I don't remember it being a different color from the rest. If it was, I didn't notice.
     
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    I brought mine down a mountain today, pretty long steep grade. I used the cruise control on the way down and when it filled up the battery it started using the engine to keep the speed down, just like B mode. So I know the battery was indeed fully charged, but the battery SOC indicator bars all just stayed the same green color as everything else on the display. I only looked at it with the HSI screen brought up, not the Energy Monitor display, I wouldn't think that would make any difference? When you guys see pink bars which display are you looking at the Energy Monitor or the HSI?
     
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    HSI but I thought I saw the same thing when I scanned through the different displays at the bottom of the hill. Also, I descended using "B."

    How tall is your hill? This is mine:
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    Bob Wilson
     
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    I need a good map program Bob, what are you using?

    My hill goes from about 5000 feet down to 1000 feet in 15 miles or so, it loses most of it's elevation in the last 5 or 6 miles. It's kind of nice to use because it's just a 2 lane highway with hardly any traffic.
     
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    Santiam Pass? I love that area.
     
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    I like Santiam pass also. Today I was in the Blue Mountains on Highway 204 between Elgin and Weston.
     
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    I checked this out yesterday coming down from the mountains. The top bar is the same salmon color as the "PWR" label, when the headlights are on. Turn the headlights off, and the top bar is the same color as the others. Oncoming traffic thought something must be wrong, flashing my lights like that!

    And a bonus: if the battery indicator is at the second-from-top bar (top bar dark), the second-from-top bar is about halfway between the salmon of the top bar and the greenish of the rest of the bars. Again, only when headlights are on.

    On this trip I took I-70 to Frisco, then over Hoosier Pass at 11,500', then home via US 285. I used Eco mode the whole time and got 51.1 mpg. I didn't have any problems climbing or descending in Eco mode, except for having to push the accelerator farther.
     
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    nice report, THANKS!
     
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    Wow! Now I have to remember if my headlights were on or not! They may have been on given that it was a gloomy rainy day and the road was very windy. Thanks pdth, you may have cracked the case of the mysterious red bar!