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  1. kkascha

    kkascha Junior Member

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    I am currently soundproofing my car with carpet padding and foil insulation from Home Depot and Lowes and I'm about to remove the seats so I can get under the carpet.

    My question is this, if I disconnect the 12v battery, will my back up beep be changed back to the original continuos beeping?

    I understand that my radio pre-sets will be wiped away but I do not want to have to go to the dealer and have them change the back up beep to a single beep again, as they were not too willing to do it even before the deal was done on my car.

    Thanks guys!
     
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    Will the back up beeper and seatbelt beeper revert back to defaults? this is a question I have had since I received my car because I know I'm going to have to unhook the 12V battery sooner or later. I have not received an answer, It's possible you are going to be the guinea pig. Be sure to let us know what happens. I know that's no help at all but as far as I can find no one has posted an answer.
     
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    Regardless of the answer to your question, continue with your project and plan to return here to PC. There are great directions on the subject of adjusting the beeping on and off for belts and reverse.
     
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    Most likely those dealer-changed settings are stored in Flash memory
    that does not require the 12 volt power to be "remembered".
    But, I guess you will find out.

    Please let us know how successful the soundproofing was,
    give us the details on what materials you used, and how.
    Also, pictures of the process would be great.

    Thanks
     
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    Unfortunately those directions only work for the Gen2 Prius. With the Gen3 (2010) you must have those options set by a dealer using their Techstream software package. You can still set the door lock/unlock yourself however.
     
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    Thanks for the responses everybody. I used synthetic carpet padding from Home Depot. It seems more durable than the other carpet padding and was cheap in my opinion at 49 cents a sq foot. I bought foil insulation from Lowes for around $40 for a huge roll, I believe 100 sq feet or so, more than I will need most likely. I have done all four doors and will do the trunk and floor today and report back with the sound quality and beeper configurations too.

    Thanks again!
     
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    If you can, take pictures of the process to share. Thanks
     
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    I have been taking pictures along the way, but I forgot to take pictures of the doors, sorry guys. I know someone else has done this, I think they might be zenmachine? I will take pictures of the materials I used because I think I am saving a ton of money by basically making my own material and not buying brand name like Dynamat. I also think my materials are thicker and more effective.
     
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    This is interesting since it seems to me that tire noise is perhaps the biggest issue with the 2010 Prius.

    I look forward to your future posts on this!
     
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    Yes, me too.
    Can you give a fairly detailed description of the "doors" process?
    Where does one even begin?

    Also, what is the make and exact product number of the materials you are using, please?

    Are they water/moisture/condensation proof?

    Thanks.
     
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    you will also loose the trip A and trip B info when the 12V is disconnected
     
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    Ok here's an update:

    I finished the trunk area and four doors. The doors took about an hour each, from taking the panel off to measuring, cutting, and installing my makeshift sound deadening material. The trunk took somewhere around six hours total, but that is a very rough estimate.

    I will add pictures later but for now here are some details.

    I looked up other people soundproofing their cars and found that most people use something like Dynamat. I also read websites saying that Dynamat was overpriced and that its a very simple combination of materials, so I decided to try and make my own.

    I used a foil insulation on top of synthetic carpet cushion.

    Here is the foil insulation I used
    Reflectix 24 In. x 25 Ft. Staple Tab Insulation - ST24025 at The Home Depot

    I can't find the exact form of carpet padding I used, but here is a picture of basically the same exact thing.
    http://www.lafiber.com/imglib/CarpetCushion2.jpg

    Now if you're thinking that carpet padding is a bad idea for insulation, and that that is the cheap route to go, after you remove the interior panels you will find the exact same thing installed by Toyota. I think insulation is insulation, I'm not saying Dynamat isn't worth it, as a matter of fact with the amount of labor that goes into soundproofing I might even feel better spending more money even if it is for the name, but I do think that there are MANY alternatives, be creative.

    I used the foil as well because most products like Dynamat have a foil on top. I think the idea is that the padding will reduce vibrations from the metal surface and the foil will reduce sound waves through the air. I'm not exactly sure on that but it makes sense to me.

    I am not going to be doing to floor anytime soon because I ran into some problems, and now I am semi regretting my decision.


    Ok first of all the carpet cushion plus the foil insulation added up to a thickness of roughly 1/2" Now there are some areas where that is no problem, but there are other areas in the trunk area where that really is a tight fit when you put the panels back on.

    The doors were really simple. Look up zenmachine's pictures on soundproofing as those were the same exact pictures I used to help my project. There are two screws in each door. One is behind a plastic panel about the size of a box of cigs where your fingertips touch when you open the inside door handel. It is behind the door handel. Pry that out with a screwdriver or something similar and there is one philips screw waiting for you. The second screw is under the small rubber pad in the door handle. Just pry off the rubber pad, which is super easy because only gravity is holding it down, and unscrew the second philips screw waiting for you.

    Now comes the semi painful semi scary part. There are interior panel screws made of plastic along the edge of the door panel. All you need to do is pull hard on the door panel and it will come off. Its a good amount of pulling force required, and I was not comfortable doing that to my new Pearl.

    There are about five things you need to unplug when you take the door panel off. One wire, exactly like a brake cable on a bicycle with the metal ball at the end, for the door handle and one similar wire for the lock. These are very simple to do. Only common sense is needed here. Then there are two wires, one for the door lock and one for the window button. And finally there is a wire for the small light at the bottom of the door. These cables are like ethernet cables. Very easy to plug in and out, idiot proof, and they are all different sizes so you can't mess it up.

    I'm getting tired of writing some I am going to come back with more detail later, but if you have a specific question shoot and I will try my best to answer it.
     
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    I'll be very interested in whether some of the dealer-set options
    stay set properly after 12V disconnect. If they don't, requiring
    another shameful trip back to someone with a Techstream, then
    I think that will say it all about the merits of such design.
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    _H*
     
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    To be honest I'm not sure when I'm going to do the floor, today was very discouraging.

    Two unrelated events happened to Pearl and I today. I was trying to get to 700 miles on a single tank of gas and ran out of gas on the highway with 689 miles, but I was able to electric only my way to a gas station. I averaged 61.8mpg for the tank.

    Second I got pulled over for my window tint. I have 35% all around, and the cops tint meter rated it at 31%, which I understand since the window is factory tinted at 75% I believe. He just gave me a warning, but I do not like to ruffle the police's feathers.

    There is something very un-nerving about taking your Prius apart and putting it back together with no experience, and there were many times when I looked at all the parts on the floor and thought to myself, why am I ruining my brand new car. . . .

    Another thing that is discouraging is the fact that the sound proofing is most definately effective, its just hard to quantify. I mean if you put new rims or window tint on your car its very easy to see your hard work pay off, but to enjoy soundproofing is somewhat more difficult.
     
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    Details?

    BTW, don't sweat the small stuff. You're doing good work, learning what works and doesn't. This is not for the faint of heart and you're pathfinding.

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    Details? Sure!

    I was averaging around 61.8 mpg for the tank so I figured that 61.8 x 11.9 is about 735, so I should be able to get 700 miles fairly safely. I wanted to take a picture of the 700 miles on my trip meter. Well at 689 miles I was on the highway when I felt the engine turn off. I realized that the amount of throttle I was giving Pearl she shouldn't have turned ice off, and then I realized, after I tried to accelerate harder, that I was out of gas. Luckily I was 1/2 mile away from an exit, I ran the red light at the bottom of the exit (making a right turn and looking carefully of course) and surprisingly was able to use the battery to drive me to a nearby gas station. I thought that when you ran out of gas the car didn't let you use the battery for power, but I'm positive I drove at around 20-25mph for much more than I could have glided.
     
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    Just an fyi I spent less than $100 on materials for my soundproofing experiment, and I used 3M spray on adhesive to stick the foil on the carpet pad, and the carpet pad on the car.
     
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    If that was indicated MPG, we're finding they are 5% off. The real value would be:
    61.8 * .95 ~=58.7 mpg
    11.9 * 58.7 = 698 miles
    One Prius owner reports he has put a little over 13 gallons in by slowly filling up the tank. I typically use the 'two click' method and my data suggest 12.1 gallons usable.
    How much gas did you put in the tank?
    You were running under power and felt the engine power fade. At slower speeds, you might miss the engine off as it transitions to battery power. My out of fuel cases occurred at low power settings and only the last one when I pushed the accelerator could I tell the engine was out of fuel.

    Let me guess, you saw no error lights.

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    Well aside from the last blinking pip, there were no additional error lights or noises. I put 11.8 gallons in the tank, which leads me to wonder which number is wrong. Is it the distance traveled? MPG? Or even my math or the gas station pump? I'm not sure which one, maybe a combination.
     
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    I'm finding the miles are accurate and the pump is generally accurate but filling method is important:
    689/11.8 = 58.4 MPG
    (61..8-58.4) / 58.4 = 5.8% error
    The "two click" method is:

    1. fill at slow speed to first click
    2. wait 10-15 seconds for foaming to stop
    3. fill slow until second click
    What gasoline are you using? In North Alabama, Shell, Exxon and Chevron, 87 octane seems to have higher energy content. Higher octane and other brands seem to have lower energy content.

    Bob Wilson