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2005 CATALYTIC CONVERTER 250k Miles- Rid Codes P0420 catalytic converter & rear O2 sensor

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Prius_Angie, Oct 1, 2017.

  1. Prius_Angie

    Prius_Angie Active Member

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    I just replaced the catalytic converter to my 2005 Prius. My Techstream noted 2 codes active on my dash since I bought the used car APR17: P0420 - or Catalyst System Efficiency Below Threshold (Bank 1); specifically, catalytic converter and rear O2 sensor. Since my car is at 249k miles, I figure I do the “big ticket item” first, rather the cheaper rear O2 sensor. My girlfriend talked me into it as she explained the coded-faulty rear O2 sensor could be in great shape but affected by a likely faulty catalytic converter that feeds it. I mail ordered for a $150 part and went at it.
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    1. JACKED UP CAR & JACKS. I left the jack under the car, as a back up just in case either jack stand gives out.
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    2. CUT PIPE. I picked up a loaner tool set that both cuts & expands pipes. I cut the pipe at the flat section after the second bulb, giving me more room to work with, should I need to cut more. I believe the pipe was a 1 7/8” width.
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    3. REMOVE REAR O2 SENSOR. Used a 20m socket to remove the rear O2 sensor.
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    4. REMOVE FRONT FLANGE BOLTS. This was a challenge as both bolts were inset deep and also rusted and spring-pressured in tight. WD-40 helped but I had to incorporate a cheater pipe, as it was tight conditions under the car and jack stand vice car lift.
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    5. REMOVE CATALYTIC CONVERTER. Interesting seeing the catalytic converter removed. Pretty straight forward. A good amount of white speckled granules fell when I inverted and tapped at it.
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    6. CUT & FLARE NEW CATALYTIC CONVERTER PIPE. With the pipe expander tool, I flared the pipe. Not having a vice forced me to improvise and place a few 1.5cm notches on top for expansion.
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    7. REPLACE NEW CATALYTIC CONVERTER. First I sprayed down the exhaust manifold interior with carburetor cleaner. With 2 bolts, I now I bolted down the front of catalytic converter.
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    8. MERGE PIPES. With the front anchored nice, I merged both rear and front pipes: male-female connection with a tightened U-bolt.
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    9. CLEAR CODES, TECHSTREAM. No more P0420 dash lights.
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    10. ROAD TEST. The road test was for 2 miles and i took the car up to 60mph. It didn’t trigger any return codes, but was loud at where I merged the pipes. I redid the merge by applying 3layers of heat tape, then reapplied the U-bolt. So far so good. I will later report if I have any leakage/regression.
     
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  2. TMR-JWAP

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    If you do end up with it leaking again, you may want to just call around to some local welding shops or exhaust shops (if you have no other choice). Remove the tape, slide the pipes together as much as possible and let them throw a mig welder to it. Probably will do it for about 40 bucks. The last time I had a similar job done, I just happened across a welding shop owned by an older gentleman. charged me 20 bucks to weld up two mufflers. Then we drank beer and played horse shoes behind the shop for 2 hours.

    You could also go buy a $120 mig welder that runs off 120vac (house outlet) and weld it yourself. Practice on some scrap pipe first.

    Watch out for speed bumps with that clamp. I've seen bad things happen when speed bumps catch an exhaust pipe that has a clamp.

    Also, I do want to say good job, good pictures and good write up. Almost had a chance to do this job last winter on my 2005, but a wreck saved me from having to do it....at least now I have a decent reference to look at if I ever have to do in on the other 05 and 07 we have in the family now.
     
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  3. Prius_Angie

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    TMR-JWAP,
    Thanks for the feedback. You are correct, those U-bolt ends are dangling a bit low.
    Yeah, my girlfriend took a look at my pics and had similar comments about my mods. She offered up her welding torch next week when i get into her town. Im still renting, and not totally ready to commit to a mig welder, yet. I'm still feeling queezy over a hefty floor jack that i purchased last weekend; she's still queezy over my inability to commit. ; )

    Cheers.
     
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    +1 on a future exhaust leak. Tape is temporary, no matter how much you apply; a weld is permanent. I would think $50 would be more than sufficient/generous, for a muffler shop to do the weld; you did all the had work already.

    Be prepared to replace that aftermarket cat again. Aftemarket cats do not last as long as OEM cats, b/c they are not CARB certified. Have read posts from others who went non-OEM route, only to have to be replace shortly after one year. Hope yours last well beyond one year.

    OEM cats are pricey ($1568) for a good reason: 10 year/150K mile warranty.
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    CARB certification essentially means the replacement cat is guaranteed to perform as well/ better than the OEM cat. After market cat manufactures don't want to spend the money to get the CARB certification (prove theirs works as well or better than OEM cats), and provide the 10year/150K mile warranty.

    If the aftermarket cat was $150, you might want to reasses your view of a "big" ticket item. Here are some truly big ticket items:
    HV Battery ($2200, 100% new OEM)
    ABS modulator valve ($1259)
    ABS Control Module ($1559)
    Inverter Assembly ($3421; these seem to be bullet proof, unless you botch the hood jumper points)
     
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    Exstudent,
    Thanks for the insights.
    I can definitely see how the heat tape will be a temp-fix for +3months. First time doing this procedure, so I am definitely seeing the whole process. It was good to see how it "could" be done without welding. A ref vid to show pipe tapering; this would've produced a tighter male-female pipe-fit and reduce the need for adhoc pipe notches and heat tape...

    .... even though i ultimately will be resorting to a permanent fix-weld.

    I will be getting my aftermarket cat welded this weekend at my gf's house; she's got welding tools. Been on the road now for >50miles without relapse of dashboard maintenance lights. I will keep you all posted on any updates to cat's durability; hope it goes longer than 1year. ; )

    Yeah, i guess the word "big ticket item" is definitely subjective. However, I got the car for just $1300. I will have a lot to ponder, if i encounter car fixes of your magnitude. Count me lucky--- for sure.