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2006, 90k miles, transmission seems to be blown

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by unterhausen, Dec 20, 2013.

  1. unterhausen

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    Last night, my son called and said he killed my car. After I established he meant that the triangle of death was displayed, I went out and rescued him. Car shudders on takeoff, there is an unnatural whine while driving, and then halfway up any long hill there is no connection between the IC motor and the wheels. VSC light comes on, check engine light, not sure what else. Turn the car off, wait 20 seconds, it goes until the next long hill, then repeat. This morning, I drove to the dealers, only had this happen 4 times with one in a busy street where everyone thinks they are too smart and good looking to go the speed limit.

    Late in the day, I get a call that the tranny was bad and there is a inverter code and several misfires. I noticed that the traction battery charge was increasing. They stopped looking when the cost for the tranny was $4800. I've seen the sticky threads about blown transmissions. I'll have to go back and look harder. I'm reasonably capable at mechanical tasks, but I need another project right now like I need a hole in the head. I suppose the inverter is covered under warranty if it needs that, but I'm not sure how to proceed. Any thoughts? It doesn't seem like there are too many posts about Prius specialists on here, but I haven't really looked that hard.
     
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    Where are you and your Prius located? There are several independent repair facilities around the country that can install a salvaged Prius Tranny at a significantly lower cost.

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    If it's covered under warranty, let the dealership fix it.
    If not, first thing I would do is get the codes it read out from them and get a second opinion or some more help here.
    If the car is at your house and you have those reasonable mechanical skills you might try spending $40 on 4 quarts of Toyota ATF WS and change the transaxle ATF. Pretty simple drain plug and refill at fill plug process. Lots of posts here on how to do it. Go from there.
     
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    Sorry, I try to fill out my profile more completely on forums. I'm in State College, PA. Car is still at the dealers, I was in a meeting until after they closed today. Is it worth my while to have it towed home, i.e. is driving it a bad idea?
     
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    Not having all the details of the problem, I would hesitate to advise you either way about driving versus towing, but is this the same dealer that tried to rip you off a couple years ago? $100 tow and a couple days car rental might be worth it to give you a little time to get some more expert advice here vs. unnecessary $4800 repair. Many other Prius Chatters sharper than me on this issue and happy to help.
    If you go the tow route make sure they have the front wheels off the ground.
     
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    I think you are talking about the dealer that we bought my wife's Prius from. They are shady, but we got a good price on the car and only had to deal with them once. The guys here in town have generally treated us ok. To be perfectly honest, I don't trust their analytical skills, but that may be unfair.
     
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    Nursing a Prius on one of your windy mountain roads or Interstates is not on my "To Do" list. We really need to see the codes they pulled that drew them to their conclusions. My suspicion is that they are exaggerating the problem list to encourage a sale of your "worthless" 2006 and a purchase of a new one that is sitting on their lot. Would that Toyota dealer in State College be Joel Confer? He's got 8 2013's & 5 2014's that I'm sure he'd like to move in the next 11 days.

    I'm not saying anything for or against the dealer. I'm posting this just to show how easy it is to get info.

    You're pretty close to the end of the warranty. What's the original purchase date?
     
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    If they jump right to total transaxle replacement when you were able to drive it there, I would be skeptical. There have been people who got some help here that have saved thousands of dollars in unnecessary repair bills. That may not be the case here, but it's probably worth giving the big Prius Chat heads a chance to help you. Important to get the DTCs and all subcodes they pulled from your car.
     
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    I have to say that this would be a horrible way to encourage a sale of a new Prius. I don't give up this easily anyway. My feeling is they are in over their heads with these things, but I've never had to get them to do anything like this before.
     
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    It is often the case that a failure in one subcircuit will cause error codes to be logged from other components. It is difficult to tease these apart and get cause and effect properly assigned on the first try. Many dealers end up swapping in new parts until the error codes go away. I doubt that the inverter and the transaxle could fail at the same time. Both are very rare failures to begin with. If it is the case that the transaxle is bad, a used unit can be had, and replaced by a competent mechanic. There are detailed pictures available on this site. Much cheaper than your quote.
     
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    ok, I'll get the codes on monday and go from there.
     
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    Many of them have been through a training course associated with that web site:
    "Our growing list of preferred shops is made up of technicians who have been through Craig’s workshops."
    But some have been added due to their great reputation (e.g. the ones that I highlighted above). You would have to judge any of the others yourself or ask specifically on this discussion group if anyone has experience with a particular independent facility.

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    I was just staring at the manual. The only thing out of the ordinary I noticed about this car previous to the blow-up was some weirdness with coming out of park. I don't know if this really means anything good for me though.

    I have to say after looking at the troubleshooting tree, the dealer didn't really want to do the work. Good news is they charged me very little to read the codes.
     
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    If that refers to the MFD putting up a screen telling you that the car can't get out of park, then this would indicate a classic low 12V symptom. The parking pawl will not release if the 12V is on its last legs.
     
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    no, I just couldn't back up after the car was parked for a weekend, like it was stuck
     
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    I got a P0A78 and P0A90 with P0300
    I tried to get the sub-codes and they don't seem to understand the question
     
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    Although you don't have the three-digit subcodes, it seems reasonable that the transaxle has failed.
     
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    That is not a good sign, as far as that tech is concerned. There are numerous ways for both P0A78 and P0A90 to be triggered, so getting the specific INF codes are pretty crucial to be really sure of the diagnosis. It is hard to separate inverter problems from transaxle problems. Both are rare in a car of your mileage. But given your symptoms I agree that it looks like the transaxle is suspect.