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2023 Prius Prime Official Release - 44 miles range, 52 MPG, 220 HP, $32k

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    Prime Time for More EV Miles with the All-New 2023 Prius Prime
    • Up to 44-Miles of Manufacturer-Estimated All Electric Range, 76% More than Prior Generation
    • Fuel Sipping Manufacturer-Estimated 52 Combined MPG in Hybrid Mode
    • Hybrid System with Nearly 100-HP Gain for Improved 0-60 Time
    • New Traffic Jam Assist Technology to Aid Drivers in Stop-and-Go Traffic
    • Toyota Audio Multimedia with 12.3-inch Touchscreen and JBL Premium Audio Available
    PLANO, Texas (Apr. 5, 2022) – The 2023 Prius Prime is the multitalented plug-in hybrid that’s made
    for life on the go. With a full charge, it can easily handle most daily commutes, with a manufacturer-estimated all electric range of up to 44 miles. When the longer-haul calls, its fuel-efficient hybrid powertrain is ready to keep going, with a manufacturer-estimated 52 MPG combined rating on the SE grade. Add in a sleek, sporty new look with a comfortable, tech-packed interior and it’s an all-new Prius Prime that’s ready for the road ahead.

    Available in SE, XSE, and XSE Premium grades, Prius Prime’s new, larger 13.6 kWh lithium-ion battery gives it a 76 percent jump in all-electric range over the previous generation, climbing from 25 to 44 miles in the SE grade. The XSE and XSE Premium grades have a manufacturer-estimated range of 39 EV miles. For longer drives, Prime relies on Toyota’s fifth generation hybrid system that combines a highly efficient 2.0-liter engine, an electric generator, and electric motor for an efficient driving experience.

    The new Prius Prime also leaps forward in the horsepower category. With a larger 150-hp 2.0L
    engine and bigger 161-hp electric motor generator too, its 220-system-net-horsepower is around
    100-hp more than the prior generation. The higher output also adds 32-percent more torque,
    climbing from 105 to 139 lb.-ft. providing a 35-percent faster 0-60 time of 6.6 seconds.
    The all-new Prime also brings head-turning good looks to the road. With a sleek new sporty
    design that is 2-inches shorter, 1-inch wider, and 1-inch longer than the previous generation. Its
    smooth, aerodynamic look comes from its hammerhead nose, lower roofline, and widened rear.
    And to complete its aggressive appearance, it comes with machine finished 19-inch wheels that
    are unique to the Prius Prime XSE grades, while 17-inch wheels come standard on the SE.

    On the inside, drivers will find an interior with a premium, comfortable feel. Features include a
    new, standard digital driver’s display for a head-up line of site, comfortable seating in fabric or
    SofTex ® -trim depending on grade, and Toyota’s new Audio Multimedia system. For even more
    convenience, all grades come with Toyota’s new Traffic Jam Assist technology a radar-based
    system that helps ease the burden of stressful stop-and-go traffic on limited access roadways by
    operating the steering, gas and brake pedals from speeds between 0-25 mph under certain
    conditions*.

    The SE, XSE and XSE Premium grades come in a choice of Cutting Edge, Guardian Gray, Midnight
    Black Metallic, and Reservoir Blue. Premium paint colors include Wind Chill Pearl or Supersonic
    Red (extra cost colors). The Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price, excluding Dealer Processing
    and Handling, will start at $32,350 for the SE grade, $35,600 for XSE grade, and $39,170 for XSE
    Premium. Models are expected to arrive in limited quantities at Toyota Dealerships this May.

    Made for Life on the Go
    Both the standard Prius hybrid and the Prius Prime are powered by Toyota’s Hybrid Synergy Drive
    powertrain, which seamlessly combines the output of the gasoline engine and electric motors. The
    biggest difference is that the Prius Prime can be plugged in to recharge its lithium-ion battery
    pack. There’s no special equipment needed for home charging, just plug the Prius Prime into a
    standard household outlet using the supplied cable (Toyota recommends using a dedicated GFI
    15A outlet). The battery will recharge in about eleven hours on a standard 120V home outlet and in
    about 4 hours on a level II charger under ideal conditions. And if you can’t plug it in, it’s okay, Prius
    Prime will continue to run like an efficient hybrid.

    The Prius Prime offers various drive modes to give the driver options depending on their needs: EV
    Mode, HV/EV Auto Mode, and Hybrid Mode. EV Auto Mode will automatically rely more on its
    electric capability for driving around town. When in HV/EV Auto Mode, the extremely efficient
    engine will engage where it is more efficient to run the gasoline engine, like up steep hills or at
    higher speeds. In Hybrid Mode, the Prius Prime automatically switches between the gasoline
    engine and the electric motor. It efficiently combines the engine drive force and the electric power
    from the hybrid battery.

    The Prius Prime can even optimize range by recognizing the driver’s stopping patterns on
    frequently driven routes and suggesting when to let off the accelerator. Available Predictive
    Efficient Drive with Predictive Deceleration Support collects daily driving data to optimize points of
    deceleration and stopping. From then on, when the driver goes through a frequented location, the
    system indicates when to let off the accelerator and can apply assisted deceleration to help boost
    fuel efficiency.

    Prius Prime: Moving toward “Beyond Zero”
    The Prius Prime stands at the forefront of Toyota’s effort to move “Beyond Zero” carbon emissions.
    Beyond Zero represents Toyota’s vision to reach beyond zero emissions through products,
    services, and operations that can make a net positive impact on our planet and society. It’s no
    coincidence that Toyota offers the widest selection of electrified vehicles in the market to give
    customers more choices to reduce their carbon emissions.

    With its blend of full electric and highly efficient hybrid driving, the 2023 Prius Prime offers drivers
    an ultra-low-emission vehicle that complements Toyota’s diverse approach to fighting carbon.
    With its new 13.6 kWh battery and up to a Manufacturer-estimated 44-mile all-electric range,
    when fully charged, the Prius Prime can cover daily commutes in EV mode. Prius Prime can also
    tackle longer trips with no additional effort required – it will run on EV mode until out of charge
    and then effortlessly switch to its highly efficient hybrid powertrain.

    Toyota is committed to helping reduce carbon emissions by giving customers 15 electrified
    vehicles for customers to choose from, including 11 hybrid models, two plug-in hybrid models, the
    all-electric bZ4X battery electric vehicle, and the zero-emission hydrogen fuel cell electric Mirai
    (currently available in California). As a symbol of that commitment, the 2023 Prius Prime will now
    wear the Toyota “Beyond Zero” badge, symbolizing Toyota’s global efforts toward carbon
    neutrality in its products, manufacturing and beyond.

    Powerful and Efficient
    Under the hood of the 2023 Prius Prime is Toyota’s Fifth generation hybrid powertrain, which pairs
    the inline M20A-FXS inline four-cylinder 2.0L gas engine with two motor-generators (MG1 and
    MG2) through a planetary-type continuously variable transmission. The engine, working in concert
    with the electric motor (MG2), assures responsive performance, while exemplary energy efficiency
    is achieved by using both electric motors (MG1 and MG2) to charge a lithium-ion battery.

    A new compact high-output/low-loss drive motor for the transaxle/motor uses a redesigned
    magnet and electromagnetic steel plate configuration, with two additional magnets for increased
    output. For improved performance while in Hybrid mode, both engine power and PHEV battery
    power are utilized for acceleration. The result is an engaging acceleration experience with 220
    combined hybrid system horsepower, 139 lb.-ft. of torque and an estimated 0-60 time of 6.6
    seconds, a 35% improvement over the 10.2 second time of the outgoing model.

    Another boost to Prius Prime’s fuel efficiency comes from the Electronically Controlled Brake (ECB)
    system, which coordinates operation between the regenerative braking force of the electric motors
    and the hydraulic braking system force to provide optimal stopping power. By proactively using
    the electric motors to recover as much electrical energy as possible from the regenerative braking
    system, this extremely efficient cooperative control helps to maximize fuel economy.

    An active hydraulic booster on the conventional (non-regenerative) braking system improves
    pedal feel and feedback for the driver. Brake Hold also comes standard, when engaged it is a
    convenient technology that reduces driver effort while waiting at a traffic light or while driving in
    heavy traffic. When the driver presses the accelerator, Brake Hold releases instantly.
    Drive modes on all Prius Prime grades include:
    • NORMAL: Allows the hybrid system to achieve an ideal combination of fuel economy and
    vehicle acceleration. The accelerator opening amount changes linearly in response to
    accelerator pedal operation.
    • ECO: Improves hybrid system efficiency by limiting power in response to light to moderate
    accelerator pedal input.
    • SPORT: Enhances dynamic performance and acceleration.

    Sport Grades Across the Model Lineup
    The 2023 Prius Prime will be offered in three sport grades: SE, XSE and XSE Premium. Standard
    colors include the all-new Cutting Edge, Guardian Gray, Midnight Black Metallic, and Reservoir
    Blue. Premium (extra cost) colors include Wind Chill Pearl and Supersonic Red. All Prius Prime
    grades come in Front Wheel Drive.

    The SE grade has standard dark grey 17-inch alloy wheels with wheel covers, an 8-inch Toyota
    Audio Multimedia touchscreen and 6-way adjustable fabric front seats in black with red trim.
    Additional standard features include Smart Key System on driver door, six USB-C ports, Electronic
    Parking Brake (EPB), leather-trimmed heated steering wheel, rain-sensing wipers and Blind Spot
    Monitor (BSM) with Rear Cross-Traffic Alert (RCTA). Optional features include Front and Rear
    Parking Assist with Automatic Braking (PA w/AB).

    The XSE grade comes with everything on the SE grade and adds dynamic looking machine finished
    19-inch alloy wheels standard. For driver comfort and a premium feel, an 8-way adjustable heated
    power driver’s SofTex-trimmed seat is standard. The seating is black with red trim. It also comes
    with standard, Smart Key system on front doors and trunk, wireless charger and front and rear
    parking assist with automatic braking (PA w/AB). Available options include a 12.3-inch high-resolution touchscreen display, fixed glass roof and Digital Key**.

    The XSE Premium has all the standard SE and XSE features and adds a JBL Premium Audio system
    with eight speakers, 12.3-inch touchscreen display, fixed glass roof, SofTex-trimmed heated and
    ventilated front seats with a Driver Memory seat, power rear liftback and Digital Key** standard.
    Available options are a Panoramic View Monitor, Digital Rearview Mirror, heated rear seats and
    Advanced Park, which executes necessary steering and braking controls and helps drivers navigate
    the vehicle into a selected parking space. Advanced Park is capable of parallel parking and
    backing up into a perpendicular space by using a combination of cameras and sensors to
    recognize the vehicle’s surroundings.

    An additional option for the XSE Premium is a 185W solar roof, that is capable of charging the
    drive battery with the power of the sun while parked. The solar charger also supplies power to
    auxiliary functions while driving. On a Prius Prime equipped with the solar roof, information about
    power generation is shown in the vehicle’s Multi Information display.

    Prime Engineering
    Built on the second-generation TNGA-C platform, the 2023 Prius Prime brings a new look that’s
    both cool and functional. The TNGA-C platform has a lower center of gravity, reduced weight and
    increased rigidity compared to the previous generation. The position of the traction battery is also
    optimized, with placement under the rear seat for a low center of gravity and enhanced luggage
    capacity.

    The platform’s strength greatly contributes to the high level of handling responsiveness, steering
    feel and ride quality in the Prius Prime. Hot-stamped and high tensile steels, which allow for
    intricate forms that are both lightweight and strong, are used extensively throughout the body.
    Aluminum components, including the hood and brake calipers, help keep vehicle weight in check.
    Innovative fastening methods, including laser screw welding and advanced adhesives, contribute
    to structural strength.

    With its piercing silhouette that evokes a level of aerodynamic flair, the 2023 Prius Prime has a 0.27
    Coefficient of Drag (Cd). Just like in previous generations, front grille shutters have been installed
    to optimize the inflow of air, contributing to cooling and aerodynamic performance. Aero
    stabilizing under body panels are also in place to reduce drag and road noise.

    The larger wheels available on XSE and XSE Premium also catch the eye – resulting in sport￾inspired proportions that offer drivers added performance and handling. Coupled with the larger
    wheels are 12-inch brake rotors on the front and 11.1-inch rotors on the rear.

    Connected Tech at the Ready
    The all-new 2023 Toyota Prius Prime is equipped with the tools to make life more convenient –
    thanks to the available 12.3-inch Toyota Audio Multimedia system designed and engineered by
    Toyota’s Texas-based Connected Technologies team. Prius drivers will have the opportunity to
    access a wide range of enhanced connectivity and convenience features, including Over-the-Air
    (OTA) updates.

    Users can interact with the system through intuitive touch and voice activation controls. With the
    available Connected Service Drive Connect, drivers and passengers have access to Intelligent
    Assistant, Cloud Navigation and Destination Assist. With Intelligent Assistant, simple phrases like
    “Hey Toyota” awaken the system for voice activated commands to search for directions, find Points
    of Interest (POI), adjust audio controls, change the cabin temperatures and more. Cloud
    Navigation, the available onboard navigation solution, utilizes the cloud to download the latest
    available map, traffic and routing information.

    To ensure users have the most up-to-date search capabilities, POI search is provided by Google
    Points-of-Interest data. Destination Assist also gives access to 24/7 live agent assistance to locate
    the next destination.

    The new Toyota Audio Multimedia allows for dual Bluetooth® phone connectivity, with support for
    standard wireless Apple CarPlay® and Android Auto™ compatibility. With further connectivity, the
    Prius Prime has an available Wi-Fi Connect 30-day or up to 3GB trial, whichever comes first, that
    offers 4G connectivity for up to five devices – turning the Prius Prime into an AT&T Hotspot. Adding
    to the already robust offering of audio playback ability with HD Radio®, USB data and a SiriusXM®
    Platinum Plan 3-month trial subscription, Wi-Fi Connect also enables the new Integrated
    Streaming feature, providing customers the ability to link their separate Apple Music® and Amazon
    Music subscriptions to the vehicle for onboard control. Trial or subscription required for all
    services, complete details about trial periods and subscription plans please visit
    toyota.com/connected-services/.

    For those looking for an enhanced audio experience, the Prius Prime XSE Premium offers a JBL®
    Premium Audio system with eight speakers, creating a mobile concert from any music genre.
    Standard on the XSE Premium grade only, the system features newly designed JBL Horn Tweeters
    to provide a cleaner sound over a wider area and inverted woofers in the front doors for deep
    bass. Passengers can also experience brilliant, rich high-frequency clarity with the use of Clari-Fi®
    technology that can breathe life into compressed digital music formats for an enhanced audio
    experience.

    Each Prius Prime offers a host of additional available Connected Services. Safety Connect includes
    an Emergency Assistance Button (SOS), 24/7 Enhanced Roadside Assistance, Automatic Collision
    Notification, and Stolen Vehicle Locator with up to a 10-year trial. Service Connect gives drivers the
    capability to receive Vehicle Health Reports, Maintenance Alerts and reminders, also with up to a
    10-year trial.

    With the Toyota app, users can stay connected to their Prius Prime with a 1-year trial of Remote
    Connect service standard. Users can activate headlights, lock/unlock the doors and remotely start
    the vehicle. Users can also check vehicle status, receive reminder notifications and set Guest Driver
    Alerts. Digital key is standard for the XSE Premium grade and optional for the XSE grade – making
    it easy to lock and unlock doors, remote start and more all from a smart phone.

    Drivers will also notice a unique door lock-unlock tone for the 2023 Prius Prime and its Prius
    sibling. Created by sound engineers, the new tone was designed to be pleasant and distinct while
    indicating door lock and unlock. The key remote also locks and unlocks the charging port lid. The
    volume can be adjusted in the customizable settings of the infotainment system.

    Ready to handle all your device charging needs, the Prius Prime is equipped with six USB ports in
    the cabin. Up front, two USB-C ports are at the bottom of the center stack plus two more USB-C
    ports in the center console. For rear seat passengers, two USB-C ports are located at the bottom
    rear of the center console.

    Convenience features are aplenty for Prius Prime, too. Blind Spot Monitor (BSM) with Rear Cross
    Traffic Alert (RCTA) and Safe Exit Assist are standard on all grades. Front and Rear Parking Assist
    with Automatic Braking (PA w/AB) is available on SE and standard on XSE and XSE Premium. A
    Panoramic View Monitor is available on XSE Premium and provides a live rotating 360-degree view
    around the vehicle. Advanced Park is available on XSE Premium, a hands-free system designed to
    assist you with parallel parking or backing into a parking space.

    Prime Safety
    For 2023, Prius Prime will come standard with the latest Toyota Safety Sense generation, TSS 3.0.
    This suite of active safety systems includes the existing feature set available on the prior
    generation Prius Prime but includes some additional enhancements and capabilities.

    This suite of safety features includes:
    • Pre-Collision System with Pedestrian Detection
    • Lane Departure Alert with Steering Assist
    • Dynamic Radar Cruise Control
    • Lane Tracing Assist
    • Road Sign Assist
    • Automatic High Beams
    • Proactive Driving Assist
    Proactive Driving Assist is the newest feature to the TSS suite. When system operating conditions
    are met, using the vehicle’s camera and radar, this system provides gentle braking into curves or
    gentle braking and/or steering to help support driving tasks such as distance control between a
    preceding vehicle, pedestrian or bicyclist. Proactive Driving Assist is not meant to be a substitute
    for the Pre-Collision System and operates in different circumstances.
    The Toyota Safety Sense features from the prior generation Prius Prime have been enhanced for
    TSS 3.0:
    • The Pre-Collision System with Pedestrian Detection has enhanced detection capabilities
    thanks to new system sensors. It receives enhanced intersection support with improved
    detection capability in certain circumstances. In addition to pedestrian and bicyclist
    detection, it also adds the capability to detect a motorcyclist.
    • Lane Departure Alert with Steering Assist has enhanced lane recognition that includes
    detection of certain 3D objects, like guardrails, that may be used by the system to help
    define the lane.
    • Dynamic Radar Cruise Control adds a fourth following distance setting, from the previously
    available three. Enhanced vehicle detection allows for the ability to detect more than one
    preceding vehicle, as well as vehicles in adjacent lanes. This helps the system to provide
    smoother, more natural speed adjustments, especially when the driver changes lanes.
    • Like Lane Departure Alert, lane recognition is enhanced for Lane Tracing Assist. This system
    now also helps provide more space between vehicles being passed in adjacent lanes. It
    works by offsetting the vehicles’ driving path with minor steering adjustments while
    keeping the vehicle within its lane.
    • An Emergency Driving Stop System has been added to Lane Tracing Assist. It’s designed to
    monitor the driver’s inputs, such as steering operation, to determine if they’re inattentive or
    non-responsive, such as during a medical emergency. This feature can bring the vehicle to
    a stop if the driver doesn’t respond to alerts to take control.
    • Road Sign Assist gets expanded sign detection capabilities that now include certain
    intersection signs and warning signs, like pedestrian crossings.

    Prime Convenience

    Prius Prime will also come with some additional features made possible by the equipped front
    corner radar sensors and a driver monitor camera. These features include Lane Change Assist,
    Front Cross Traffic Alert, Advanced Park, and a first among the Toyota line-up, Traffic Jam Assist.

    Lane Change Assist works in collaboration with Lane Tracing Assist, meaning it also only operates
    when DRCC is activated. When a driver partially engages the turn signal, the system sensors
    monitor to confirm there are no vehicles in the path of the lane change, and then provides steering
    support into the new lane with the driver’s hands on the steering wheel.

    Front Cross Traffic Alert uses the front corner radar sensors to detect vehicles approaching from
    the side in situations such as when slowly approaching or stopped at an intersection. Arrows are
    displayed to warn the driver, and if the driver attempts to proceed when there’s cross traffic, the
    vehicle provides an audible alert and warning on the MID.

    Advanced Park executes the necessary steering and brake controls to navigate the vehicle into a
    selected parking space. Advanced Park is capable of parallel parking, backing into a
    perpendicular parking space, and can assist in exiting a parking space, all hands-free under the
    driver’s supervision.

    Traffic Jam Assist is a driver-assistance feature that helps ease the burden of the stressful stop￾and-go of a traffic jam. With an active Drive Connect subscription or trial, this system provides
    hands-free control of the vehicle steering, braking and acceleration at speeds under 25 mph
    under certain conditions. This system is designed for limited-access roadways, and the driver
    monitor camera must confirm the driver's eyes are on the road for hands-free operation. The
    required Drive Connect subscription for Traffic Jam Assist comes as a 1-year trial on the XSE
    premium grade as well as the XSE grade equipped with the upgraded 12.3-inch multimedia
    screen. The SE grade and the XSE grade equipped with the 8-inch multimedia screen are Drive
    Connect capable, Traffic Jam Assist requires an activation of this service.

    Pricing

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    Limited Warranty and ToyotaCare

    Toyota’s 36-month/36,000 mile basic new-vehicle warranty applies to all components other than
    normal wear and maintenance items. Additional 60-month warranties cover the powertrain for
    60,000 miles and corrosion with no mileage limitation. Hybrid-related components that require
    repairs needed to correct defects in materials or workmanship are covered for 8 years/100,000
    miles, whichever comes first from original date of first use when sold as new. The hybrid battery is
    covered for 10 years/150,000 miles, whichever comes first, and is transferable across ownership.

    Prius Prime models also come with the ToyotaCare plan that covers normal factory-scheduled
    maintenance for two years or 25,000 miles, whichever comes first, and 24-hour roadside
    assistance for three years, unlimited mileage.
     
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    600 bucks for the solar roof is pretty reasonable
     
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    Gen 5 Prius Prime PHEV fuel efficiency in comparison to Gen 4 is really disappointing. Here are the numbers.

    HEV driving (city/highway/combined)

    Gen 4 (all trims): 55/53/54 mpg
    Gen 5 SE: 53/51/52 mpg
    Gen 5 XSE and XSE Premium: 50/47/48 mpg

    BEV driving (combined)

    Gen 4 (all trims): 133 mpge
    Gen 5 SE: 127 mpge
    Gen 5 XSE and XSE Premium: 114 mpge

    BEV range (combined)

    Gen 4 (all trims): 25 mi
    Gen 5 SE: 44 mi
    Gen 5 XSE and XSE Premium: 39 mi

    Drag coefficient (Cd)

    Gen 4 (all trims): 0.25
    Gen 5 SE: 0.27
    Gen 5 XSE and XSE Premium: 0.29

    Charging time (120 V/240 V)

    Gen 4 (all trims): 5 hr 30 min/2 hr 10 min
    Gen 5 (all trims): 8 hr/4 hr
     
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    The heated rear seats and solar roof would be awesome!

    Maybe I could DIY those into my Avalon as I'm not paying $40,000 for a car any time soon???
     
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    Mpg is disappointing, but I’m sure we can do better
     
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    I totally understand the efficiency comparison, but the Gen 5 is a COMPLETELY different car with a completely different goal in mind compared to Gen 4. And I hope that's why it'll be successful where the Gen 4 was not.
     
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    You are right, @Danny — Toyota built less of a Prius and more of a sporty car with Gen 5. Hopefully, that will attract more customers as you said.

    I am upgrading from a Gen 4 Prius Prime Limited to a Gen 5 Prius Prime SE. The reason for my upgrade is solely to upgrade from TSS 2.0 to TSS 3.0+. As a Prius driver, I don't really care about horsepower.
     
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    More weight (3461 lbs for SE vs. 3365 lbs for 2022 LE), higher drag coefficient (0.27 vs. 0.25 for 2022, although that's somewhat offset by reduced frontal area for the Gen 5 due to it being 2" shorter and 0.8" wider - I'd expect roughly 5.5% more aero drag for the new one using a naïve frontal area calculation).

    The 2.0's improved thermal efficiency does help, too, though. (Interestingly, on the Corolla, it doesn't, although I suspect some of the problem on the Corolla is test group shenanigans - before 2023, the Corolla shared a test group with the Prius and may have been unfairly benefiting from the Prius's better aerodynamics.)
     
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    The 2023 Corolla also got bigger tires.
     
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    Agreed. Cheaper than the all glass roof.
     
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    That's on the top trim level, *on top of* the all-glass roof that it comes with, no?
     
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    The problem is not how expensive it is but how you get it. When you get on a waiting list, you can't specify the options because you only get what the dealer is allocated. Alternatively, If you find one with the solar-roof option, there will be a huge markup.
     
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    No, you can't have the glass roof and solar roof together. Solar cells block the light. However, you are right that the additional cost is for having the solar roof instead of the glass roof, as XSE Premium does not come without either one.
     
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    Let me rephrase.

    You have to pay for the XSE Premium which comes with a glass roof, and then pay additional for the solar roof. So it's not cheaper than the glass roof.
     
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    Well @bhtooefr is somewhat correct. The glass roof comes standard with the XSE Premium trim. So the Solar roof is in addition to the glass roof you get as part XSE Premium..
     
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    Yes.

    Again, the problem is that the options are not really options because you are stuck with dealer allocations. Choosing options was a thing of the past.
     
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    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
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    Does anyone know the specs of the wheels? Bolt layout and offset? I’m sure there are some that would trade the 19s for 17s.
     
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    Actually those really aren't bad prices all around. You can get the XSE for about $2,500 more than what my 2017 Prius Prime Advanced trim MSRP'd ($33,100) for. It's $1,600 more than a 2022 Prius Prime Limited, but not bad when factoring in inflation, a bigger battery, bigger engine. Of course the XSE Premium price is a little eye watering but still. Now if I bought one, I could swap wheels and tires with someone who bought the SE I'd be much happier.
     
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    I think you are misunderstanding about it. The top grade comes with glass roof. Toyota removes that $1000 roof and charges another $600, so the total costs should be $1600.
     
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    From various sources I've gathered:
    6.5Jx19 ET40 5x114.3 195/50/R19
    6.5Jx17 ET40 5x114.3 195/60/R17