1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

A Chinese (err Japenese) puzzle box

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by rcroft, May 31, 2005.

  1. rcroft

    rcroft New Member

    Joined:
    May 26, 2005
    63
    0
    0
    Location:
    Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
    Set up the puzzle box by doing the following...

    Go to a water park with your wife and daughter. Since you are at a water park, remove your SKS fob from the little spare key and leave the fob in the center console, along with your wallet, so it doesn't get wet. Press the little "Key" button under the steering wheel to turn off the SKS system since you are leaving the fob in the car. Lock the car with the little spare key and then put the spare key, along with your id and park passes, in the handy waterproof wallet that came with your swim trunks. Enter the park and have fun for a couple of hours.

    Return to your car with your family to get your lunch from the cooler you have in the back. Unlock the car with the little spare key and then put it back into your handy waterproof wallet. Open the hatchback, extract your lunch, and then put your handy waterproof wallet on the floor of the hatchback while you lean over to help your daughter adjust her shoes.

    Then have your wife, with amazing speed and agility, slam the hatchback shut and then open the driver side door, press the lock button and then close the driver side door. Turn towards your wife and with a look of shock and disbelief, ask her what she just did. After shouting a few colorfull words that you had promised yourself you would never say infront of your five year old daughter, send them on their way to eat lunch while you deal with the fact that your SKS fob and the spare key are now locked securely inside your car with the SKS system turned off.

    Find a pay phone and call AAA roadside service and have them send out a tow truck to unlock your car. After twenty or so minutes, the tow truck driver will arrive and will begin a task that typically takes him less than four minutes to perform; at least on a normal car.

    Watch (and weep) as the tow truck driver drives a thick plastic wedge between the weather stripping on the outer edge of your door, prying the upper part of the door and window about an inch away from the door frame. He then will stick a long bendable rod through the gap he made. Now the puzzle begins.

    The bendable rod is capable of pushing buttons and pulling levers inside your car. What actions should the tow truck driver take to sucessfully unlock your car?

    Should he:
    A) Press the unlock button on the door
    B) Pull the inside door handle
    C) Flip the little lock lever that is integrated with the inside door handle
    D) Press the power window button
    E) Press the "Key" button under the steering wheel to turn on the SKS and then repeat steps A,B,C, and D

    Answer:
    F) none of the above

    Option A doesn't do anything. No clicks, no beeps, no nothing.
    Option B causes the car to honk loudly for about 30 seconds, but otherwise does nothing.
    Option C causes the car to honk loudly for about 30 seconds, and the lever flips back to the locked state immediately.
    Option D doesn't do anything.
    Option E was seemingly a stroke of genius since the fob is inside the car. Surely once the SKS is turned back on, the car will recognize that the fob is in the car and allow the car to be unlocked. However, upon pressing the button and then observing the little red car with a key flashing on the dash board, Options A, B, C, and D provide the same results as before. The car knows the fob is in the car, but it won't let you unlock it.

    The solution...

    After about 20 minutes of trying the above options over and over and over again, send the tow truck driver on his way with the instructions to call a locksmith. When your wife returns to ask how things are going, have her call the local Toyota dealer for advice. Your wife will then be told by the "prius specialist" from the service department that Toyota made this car really smart and there's nothing you can do but use the other key that came with the car. Of course, that other key is clipped securely to your wife's purse, at home, 45 minutes away. Send your wife and daughter back into the park so they are out of your hair while you scream and curse repeatedly.

    Wait over an hour for the locksmith to arrive and then call AAA back to ask for the status of your call. AAA will then tell you that they didn't receive a second call from the tow truck driver to request a locksmith. AAA will further proceed to tell you that locksmiths are expensive and before they will call one out, they will send yet another tow truck to try again. They assure you that this time they will send a "specialist" who can usually unlock a car when others fail.

    Return to your car to wait for the next tow truck to arrive fully expecting the same results. All the while it is rapidly approaching the park closing time which at some point afterwards, the park will make you leave whether your car is unlocked or not. The frustration builds, along with thoughts of divorce, and just when you start searching for a large enough rock to break through the driver side window, the second tow truck arrives.

    Once again a large plastic wedge is jammed through the weather stripping of your door and options A through D are repeated, with the same results.

    Then a flash of true genius rockets through your brain. You ask the current tow truck driver if he can reach the Power button with the long bendable rod. After several attempts, he manages to press the Power button, and yes, the car does come on. With your heart racing, you then ask him to press the power window button. You wait anxiousely while he repositions the rod for the task and lo and behold, when he press the power window button, the window lowers and you can unlock the car.

    As the thoughts of divorce gradually fade from your mind, you then re-enter the park to spend the last half hour before the park closes with your family.
     
  2. CraigCSJ

    CraigCSJ Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2004
    287
    144
    0
    Location:
    San Bernardino, CA
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
    And if the fob was in the back seat or trunk the power button would not have come on, and then what?

    CraigCSJ 04 Driftwood #9BC
     
  3. efusco

    efusco Moderator Emeritus
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2003
    19,891
    1,192
    9
    Location:
    Nixa, MO
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    All my pity to you....and my points.
     
  4. delrey

    delrey Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2004
    280
    14
    0
    Location:
    SF Bay Area (East Bay)
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Advanced
    That sounds pretty awful, so sorry you had such a lousy day ... and the moral, for those with kids is: MAKE SURE YOU NEVER LOCK YOUR KID IN THE CAR! Even if they're old enough to let themselves out.

    I once locked my 7 year old son in (while I checked the house - the home alarm had triggered). I dropped my keys in the house & came back out to tell my son he could get out.

    All the stuff you mention happening with the long bendable rod happened with my son trying to get out of the car. Except in my case the horn continued to honk once it started. (Of course I went back in the house & found the keys, but what if they had been misplaced?)
     
  5. rcroft

    rcroft New Member

    Joined:
    May 26, 2005
    63
    0
    0
    Location:
    Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CraigCSJ\";p=\"94204)</div>
    Well, at that point, I guess it's time for the locksmith, who most likely will arrive and tell you Toyota uses some special super-secret lock mechanism that he can't open. After that, the only option left is to continue looking for that large rock.
     
  6. rcroft

    rcroft New Member

    Joined:
    May 26, 2005
    63
    0
    0
    Location:
    Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(delrey\";p=\"94217)</div>
    Good point.

    In our other cars, my wife has often locked the doors while she sits in the car as I run into a store. I'll have to experiment with that sometime. Is the car smart enough that if you lock the doors from the inside when the doors are all closed, will it allow you to unlock it without a key? I would hope it goes into impenetrable mode only if you lock it from the outside or use the inside door lock button with the door open and then close the door (as my wife did at the water park).
     
  7. bobc

    bobc New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2005
    361
    5
    0
    Location:
    Durham, NH
    Yeah, but how was the water??
     
  8. rcroft

    rcroft New Member

    Joined:
    May 26, 2005
    63
    0
    0
    Location:
    Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bobc\";p=\"94282)</div>
    Frigid.
     
  9. delrey

    delrey Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2004
    280
    14
    0
    Location:
    SF Bay Area (East Bay)
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Advanced
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rcroft\";p=\"94237)</div>
    I'll have to do some more testing, as I'd like to know too -- but in the meantime leave the key in the car with your wife (as long as SKS is on you can trust her, right ;-) ?). Then she can lock & unlock the doors ...

    p.s. you told a very entertaining story!
     
  10. rcroft

    rcroft New Member

    Joined:
    May 26, 2005
    63
    0
    0
    Location:
    Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(delrey\";p=\"94293)</div>
    But then I'd have to take the key out of my pocket!!!!!

    Although I've only had my prius for about a month, I've become very used to never having to remove my keys from my pocket.

    It's gotten to the point where I expect all doors to just open when I grab the handle or door knob. It's a major annoyance now when I get home on the rare occurance when my wife and daughter are not home and I have to actually pull out my keys and unlock the front door. Occasionally I also arrive at work in the morning before anyone else shows up and I just stare at the office door dumbfounded when I pull on it's handle and it doesn't open.

    Removing my keys from my pocket anywhere except infront of the dresser in my bedroom now feels like an unnatural act.
     
  11. richard schumacher

    richard schumacher shortbus driver

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    7,663
    1,038
    0
    Location:
    United States
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    That sucks definitely. Maybe try wearing an emergency key on a necklace?
     
  12. delrey

    delrey Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2004
    280
    14
    0
    Location:
    SF Bay Area (East Bay)
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Advanced
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rcroft\";p=\"94301)</div>
    I hear you there. I used to lock myself out or lose my keys almost once every year. SKS cuts down on that.

    I'm tempted to change my locks to a remote deadbolt I can unlock from the homelink button (I'm a single mom & my son is too young to be home before me).

    p.s. I keep my fob hidden in a spot accessible from inside the car, wrapped in foil & an altoid tin (which hides it from the car). In case of emergency. This is useful if my son is locked in, but given your story I might have to rethink this a little. I wonder if I can find a good place on the exterior for a hide-a-key.
     
  13. rcroft

    rcroft New Member

    Joined:
    May 26, 2005
    63
    0
    0
    Location:
    Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(richard schumacher\";p=\"94310)</div>
    My solution is to impress upon my wife that before she locks a car that she did not drive, she must utter 6 little words: "Do you have the car keys?"

    My wife actually said to me "But I thought you had the keys. You always have the keys with you."

    In her defense, she's almost right. I am very good at keeping track of car keys and with the SKS, since the keys never leave my pocket, the statement "You always have the keys with you" is almost certainly correct.

    Almost that is, except on the day when we're at the water park, where I've turned off the SKS, left the fob in the car, am wearing swim trunks instead of regular pants, and get momentarily distracted by the sudden wailing of my five year old daughter because she's got a piece of gravel in her swim shoes, so I put down the water wallet in the back of my car to help my daughter adjust her shoes mere seconds before my wife decides it's time to close the hatchback and lock the car.

    It was the perfect storm of car lockouts.
     
  14. TonyPSchaefer

    TonyPSchaefer Your Friendly Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2004
    14,816
    2,498
    66
    Location:
    Far-North Chicagoland
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
    With my other previous cars, the first thing I did was get a duplicate key and wire-tie it to the undercarraige. I notoriously locked my keys in my car. After hearing your story, I think I'm going to make my wife start carrying the extra fob in her purse. Currently, I never turn SKS off, but in the situation you present, it made perfect sense and sounds like something I would do.

    I'm sorry for your experience, but Lao Tsu teaches us:
    All experiences provide learning opportunities.
    There are no negative learning opportunities.
    Therefore, if learned from, there are no negative experiences.
     
  15. Bill Merchant

    Bill Merchant absit invidia

    Joined:
    May 3, 2005
    4,096
    81
    13
    Location:
    USA | Oregon | Portland area | 97004 |
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    [font=Comic Sans MS:44b2d3dfd2]I'm glad it ended well. I was laughing out loud reading your account. It was sheer genius to think to start the car and open the window.[/font:44b2d3dfd2]
     
  16. Godiva

    Godiva AmeriKan Citizen

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2005
    10,339
    14
    0
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    Vehicle:
    2005 Prius
    Hmm.

    Did all of this take more than 90 min?

    You could have called a cab, taken your wife's house key, gone home and got the other fob and returned. Of course, that would cost cab fare. Unless the tow truck drivers would give you a ride.

    I was waiting for you to say that it turned out your wife had the other fob in her purse the whole time.

    I usually put my stuff on the roof of the car...outside the car. Then if the door gets closed by accident my stuff isn't inside. That is if I'm not wearing pants with pockets. If I have a pocket, my key is in it. This is from years of locking myself out of my classroom and having to call the custodian to let me in....which is very embarassing when 35 sixth graders are lined up and watching your every movement.
     
  17. galaxee

    galaxee mostly benevolent

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2005
    9,810
    465
    0
    Location:
    MD
    Vehicle:
    2005 Prius
    i would not recommend putting things on top of the car if you're very forgetful. there are a ton of items hubby has left on top of the car overnight or while driving around.

    cd book containing 200 CDs- left overnight and stolen
    cell phone- fell off top of car while driving (fortunately recovered)
    those are the more notable ones.
     
  18. DBM

    DBM New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2004
    36
    0
    0
    Location:
    SF Bay Area
    But then I'd have to take the key out of my pocket!!!!!

    Although I've only had my prius for about a month, I've become very used to never having to remove my keys from my pocket.

    It's gotten to the point where I expect all doors to just open when I grab the handle or door knob. It's a major annoyance now when I get home on the rare occurance when my wife and daughter are not home and I have to actually pull out my keys and unlock the front door. Occasionally I also arrive at work in the morning before anyone else shows up and I just stare at the office door dumbfounded when I pull on it's handle and it doesn't open.

    Removing my keys from my pocket anywhere except infront of the dresser in my bedroom now feels like an unnatural act.
    [/quote]

    You think that's bad? Try spending even a week in Japan and then return to the US where you'll stand like an idiot in front of store doors waiting for them to open. (In Japan 90% of the store doors have motion detectors and they open as you approach.)
     
  19. MGBGT

    MGBGT New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2005
    42
    0
    0
    ...in my old MGB, I've driven all the way to work with the coffee mug (one of those rubberized wide base mugs) on top of the car, wondering why everyone was so friendly and waving at me...

    Ok, here's an SKS question:

    if you are inside the car, with the car running (IG-ON), stopped at a traffic light. To feel safe (for those of us who suffer from a slight degree of paranoia), you have locked the doors.
    If someone approaches the car from the outside, can they unlock the car by touching the sense-pads on one of the so-equipped doors?
     
  20. ALoLA

    ALoLA New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2004
    113
    0
    0
    Location:
    Southern California
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    If I'm not mistaken, the sensors on SKS systems don't work if the engine is running. At least not for opening the doors. I had stepped out of my car with the system running, but with the ICE idle, I thought it was off. I then pressed the lock button on the outside and the doors locked. When I tried to unlock the door with the sensor on the inside of the handle, it didn't respond. Fortunately, I had the fob in my pocket, but even the unlock button on there didn't respond. I had to resort to the little key. That was the first and only time I've ever had to use that key. :)