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Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by MarinJohn, Oct 5, 2007.

  1. MarinJohn

    MarinJohn Senior Member

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    http://www.coastalpost.com/07/10/33.html
    REPUBLICANS GONE WILD 2!
    By Will Durst

    If you're one of the millions still rolling on the floor in amazement at the greed and hypocrisy featured in last year's surprise hit: "REPUBLICANS GONE WILD," throw that DVD away. Because you're not going to believe the extreme and hilarious action we've compiled for you in the brand new "REPUBLICANS GONE WILD 2."
    You'll laugh. You'll cry. You'll kiss any chance of their recapturing Congress goodbye. But you'll never forget this brand new, never-before-seen footage featuring their patented wide stances and narrow minds. You've seen their breakdowns on television. You've read about their exploits in the newspapers. You've witnessed their Family Value blustering for years. Now relive their blathering and blubbering at your leisure.

    All the hilarious escapades you loved in "REPUBLICANS GONE WILD" are back, only bigger and better and sleazier than ever in "REPUBLICANS GONE WILD 2." The crazy zany antics of Jack Abramoff, Mark Foley, Duke Cunningham and Bob Ney will PALE next to this madcap collection of weird and wacky wildness.

    100% raw, real, and uncut! Wild solo gaffes. Congressman-on-congressman action. '08 presidential candidates hiding their faces behind their hands mumbling for Idaho Republican Sen. Larry Craig to "just go away, please, go away." Plus much, much more. See them lie, deny and just plain cry.

    All your favorite 2007 moments are here.

    Gasp as chastised Louisiana Sen. David Vitter, southern regional chair of the Giuliani campaign, admits to frequenting a house of prostitution, but avoids any further questions by saying the matter is between his family and God.

    Inhale as newly elected millionaire South Carolina Treasurer Thomas Ravenel, chair of the SC Giuliani campaign, is charged with conspiracy to distribute a quantity of cocaine, carrying a possible sentence of 20 years in prison.

    Guffaw as Robert W. Allen, co-chair of Sen. John McCain's Florida legislative leadership team, is arrested for soliciting prostitution from an undercover police officer posing as a transvestite in a public park restroom, but says he was intimidated into it due to being the only white guy in the area.

    Thrill as Idaho Sen. Larry Craig, Mitt Romney's '08 GOP Senate coordinator, announces to the world, "I am not gay. I have never been gay." Then repeats it about 87 times and thanks those in attendance "for coming out today."

    NOTE: "REPUBLICANS GONE WILD 3," being compiled by assistant DAs all over America as we speak. Act within the next 48 hours and get a free "FOLEY/ CRAIG '08" bumper sticker!
     
  2. MarinJohn

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/05/washingt...amp;oref=slogin
    Guilty Plea Stands, but Craig Won’t Quit Senate
    By CARL HULSE

    Shortly after a judge denied his request to withdraw the August plea admitting to disorderly conduct, Mr. Craig said he had reversed his previously announced decision to leave the Senate if he could not get the plea thrown out. He said he would instead serve out his third term, which expires in January 2009.

    His decision was a major disappointment to Republican leaders, who had hoped Mr. Craig would make good on his pledge and spare them from the potential political liability of having a senior lawmaker who has become a national punch line.

    Senator John Ensign of Nevada, chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, demanded that Mr. Craig keep his pledge and leave the Senate. “The type of behavior we are talking about here is not exactly something that I think a senator should be engaged in,†said Mr. Ensign, who again raised the possibility of public ethics committee hearings into whether Mr. Craig had brought discredit on the Senate, which could be grounds for action against him.

    “I can’t think of anything good about it,†said Senator Saxby Chambliss, Republican of Georgia.

    Senator Jim DeMint, Republican of South Carolina, said, “You don’t want to know what I really feel.â€

    Mr. Specter said. “Disorderly conduct is not moral turpitude, and it is no basis for leaving the Senate.â€

    Republicans were also eager to quickly dispose of a scandal in light of the acknowledgment by Senator David Vitter of Louisiana that he had been involved with an escort service under police investigation for prostitution, and the problems of Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska, the longest-serving Republican senator in history, who is under investigation in a federal corruption inquiry.

    MJ: This isn't even sport! Easier than shooting fish in a barrel. We know it's all Clinton's fault, Hillary is a <gasp> lesbian, all non-neocons WANT this country to lose the senseless war, and 'tinky winky' wants to covert all infants to gay, but besides these 'realities' you must admit it's entertaining to watch the party of hypocrites self-destruct using the exact same tools they so expertly use against others. Also worth noting that the <hold nose> democrats are not engaging in politics of destruction in these matters, so unlike the republicans who delight in kicking someone when they are down. <<except me, who is delighting in the whole debacle>>
     
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    daniel Cat Lovers Against the Bomb

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    And the most pathetic thing is that Republican voters will continue to vote Republican in spite of the moral bankruptcy of that party, and Democratic voters will continue to vote for the Democratic Party, in spite of the fact that its candidates are no different than the Republicans.
     
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    daniel Cat Lovers Against the Bomb

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stev0 @ Oct 5 2007, 06:50 PM) [snapback]522038[/snapback]</div>
    Depressing, but true.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ Oct 5 2007, 07:59 PM) [snapback]522023[/snapback]</div>
    so can you bring yourself to say the Democrat party is a morally bankrupt party?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(05_SilverPri @ Oct 7 2007, 08:24 PM) [snapback]522563[/snapback]</div>

    The Republicans are morally bankrupt.

    The Democrats are just morally behind a few payments.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(05_SilverPri @ Oct 7 2007, 06:24 PM) [snapback]522563[/snapback]</div>
    Yep.

    The Democrats are morally bankrupt. The Republicans are morally bankrupt. The Republicans are criminals. The Democrats are criminals. The Democrats are murderers (for waging wars). The Republicans are murderers. (For waging wars.) The Republicans are marginally worse on women's issues, the environment, and gay rights, but the Democrats are bad enough on all these issues to deserve our wholehearted condemnation.

    Satisfied?

    Anybody who has read my postings for a while knows that I regard the two big parties as little more than two mafias fighting over who gets the political graft. That's really all politics is about: There's a lot of money to be made by being the one who hands out the military and public works contracts.

    I vote Green, but am perhaps philosophically closest to being a Debs Socialist.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(05_SilverPri @ Oct 7 2007, 08:24 PM) [snapback]522563[/snapback]</div>
    Read his post closer. He already did.

    by Daniel - "And the most pathetic thing is that Republican voters will continue to vote Republican in spite of the moral bankruptcy of that party, and Democratic voters will continue to vote for the Democratic Party, in spite of the fact that its candidates are no different than the Republicans."
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(n8kwx @ Oct 7 2007, 11:39 PM) [snapback]522617[/snapback]</div>
    I realize that. I just wanted him to say it out loud and see what happens.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(05_SilverPri @ Oct 8 2007, 01:08 PM) [snapback]522772[/snapback]</div>
    I agree too - every get back up off the floor and sit down :) I really hate the Dems and the Repubs IMHO are a small step behind them. And now with Sandy Berger coming back onto the scene --- when will it all stop?

    Would love to see Bromberg run for President - even though there is a large part of myself that does not want to see him in office because of the fact we share a similar religion and all the issues that will arise because of his religion that would not be in play if he were not Jewish - hope you followed all that. Given the choices today I would vote for Mayor Mike in a heartbeat.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stev0 @ Oct 5 2007, 08:50 PM) [snapback]522038[/snapback]</div>
    What joke the whole mess is right now. Very sad state of affairs. :(
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(05_SilverPri @ Oct 8 2007, 10:08 AM) [snapback]522772[/snapback]</div>
    Please see post number 8 above.
     
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    patsparks An Aussie perspective

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    It is the nature of the beast in a modern democracy that the 2 major parties will have only a hair's thickness between them. The nearer a party is to the middle of the road the more votes it will get. Because politics is all about being re/elected politicians wont deviate too far from the other major party, just enough that you see a difference.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(patsparks @ Oct 8 2007, 07:06 PM) [snapback]522863[/snapback]</div>
    Agree. So why do you think we see here in FHOP among some such a rabid allegience to one party and demonizing of the other? It is very much like a rivalry among college sports teams. It doesn't matter what they say or do, as long as it is "my" party it is ok but the same actions by the other party are "evil".
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(05_SilverPri @ Oct 8 2007, 07:22 PM) [snapback]522916[/snapback]</div>
    I, too, find this curious, and I think your comparison to sports teams is very insightful. Yet I know thoughtful, intelligent people who really believe that the differences are significant and that one party is very much worse than the other, even to insist that one party is leading us to disaster, and the other would save us, or at least give us a noticeably more humane or sustainable world.
     
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    Well, well, well. Another anti-gay republican lawmaker is caught, then confesses to having gay inclinations. Although this is almost a week 'old' news I chose not to post about it until it became apparent that once again, this hypocrite's voting record became clear. I believe any consenting adults should be able to do what they want in the privacy of their own homes. But when they are hypocrites they must be outed. As far as I am concerned Barney Frank, an 'out' gay member of congress could have sex at the top of the Statue of Liberty and it would be a non-news event because he doesn't espouse hate against the gay community but then dive right in and enjoy gay sex. Hypocrites on the other hand should be outed loudly, no matter what their party affiliation. Notice in the second article how his public version of the tawdry affair differs from the police report.The police report offers a damning and far different version of events from the brief account Curtis gave to The Columbian Monday, one that seems likely to threaten Curtis’ political future.



    http://www.kxly.com/news/?sect_rank=1&...;story_id=15407
    by Jeff Humphrey
    The alleged late night encounter is in sharp contrast to Curtis' political persona. While in Olympia, Curtis has voted against domestic partnerships for gay couples and opposed a bill that would have outlawed discrimination based on sexual orientation.

    http://www.columbian.com/news/localNews/20...s-encounter.cfm
    By JEFFREY MIZE

    State Rep. Richard Curtis, R-La Center, admitted to having sex with a man he met at an adult video store in Spokane last week, according to a police report released Tuesday afternoon.
    The police report offers a damning and far different version of events from the brief account Curtis gave to The Columbian Monday, one that seems likely to threaten Curtis’ political future.
    “He didn’t make any threats against this guy (Curtis),†added Castanga’s attorney, David Partovi. “This is an extremely a low-level situation that’s being blown out of proportion by somebody who is trying to save themselves.â€

    Curtis did not return calls seeking comment Tuesday. He initially told police that he did not have sex with the man but later recanted, according to the police report. He also told police that he thought he might have been given some type of drug because his memory of the evening was hazy.


    MJ: Notice I am not pasting the lurid details of the affair, since who cares? What we care about is the constant belittling of a minority by public figures' voting records, and then they 'indulge' in the 'sin' of the community they have publicly refuted. The obvious implications are very clear as far as republicans are concerned. No morals. No personal limits. No right to 'lead' in the public domain. This sickness is party-wide and evidenced by the scandals from Enron's outright stealing of the the California Treasury to hypocritical behavior on all levels including sending other people's children off to war, to giving the least unfortunate a huge tax rebate DURING TIME OF WAR PLANNING, to...well why go on? "Sicko" applies more to a certain political party (and fully, it's supporters) than the title of a movie. Like Daniel, tho to a lesser degree, I think there is very little distinction between the two major political parties, but it will only be by outing outrageous behavior in any party, that we will be able to move beyond.