Are Fossil Fools Trying to Disrupt Battery Market?

The markets for everything is pretty crazy right now.

This is just going to accelerate the expansion lithium mining, increase investment in recycling and reusing, and move standard range BEVs to LFP.

 

I think that EV's are going to have a bright future, but I also think that SOME EVangelists take a somewhat FNS style "fair and balanced" view of the carbon throughput and exploitation pollutants with their batteries.

https://www.thoughtco.com/lithium-production-2340123
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_mine

I'm thinking that the ROI for BEVs should be accurately portrayed NOT to quell people's appetite for this technology but rather to address the real-world return on ALL investments SOONER rather than later.

Conspiracy?
Perhaps......
After all there's REAL MONEY in electric generation and battery production....

 

Russian and China want the Moon - Musk wants as much of Mars and possible
Everyone still believes Science will eventually have all the answers to the human condition(s).
Right on

 

Makes geothermal lithium saltwater extraction viable, GM needs to accelerate its Salton basin project

 

Who's problem(s) will they be? Other humans? Whatever evolution replaces humans with that have adapted to whatever the earth of 700 years in the future turns into?
Yale Climate Connection has an article this week On climate doomism
The plot is There is still hope.
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2022/05/on-climate-doomism-heart-mind-reasons-to-resist-it/
Ot like Toyotas concept with self driving, will there be a synergy of man and machine in which neither is the master, but each watches out of the other.
Dr. Gill Pratt, CEO, Toyota Research Institute CES 2019 Remarks | Corporate | Global Newsroom | Toyota Motor Corporation Official Global Website
"Today, it is my pleasure to share our newest Guardian and Chauffeur test bed the TRI- P4 research vehicle."

 

Yeah.
Right.
What could go wrong?

Humans have a very poor track record with "neither is the master."

 

I learned about a new movement called Degrowth today. It's about Social Change as thought by some Climate Conscience people as being the only way to avoid climate disaster this century.
The numbers being shown in the video are far from positive currently.

and the chances of the Rich ( people, companies, countries governments ) implementing those kinds of complex social and economic changes don't look very promising ( at least not yet, anyways ) either.
if eva

 

Concur.
I didn't watch the above vid because I darned sure don't want it in my youtoobe history, but navel gazing first-worlders aren't where the center-of-gravity lies with AGW......
Coal Consumption by Country - Worldometer

We certainly do our share, but left coaster's cars are FAR from the largest carbon producers in the US, and the US although ranked second (ish) only (allegedly) produce about 13% of the "world's human caused" atmospheric carbon.....and (spoiler alert) we are not the only source of carbon and carbon isn't the sole source of AGW and AGW isn't the sole source of planetary warming.

The ChiComms produce over half of all of the AGW suspects, and India is on track to zoom past us in a few years to take the silver.

Thirteen percent ain't nothing, and we would do well to set a good example after helping to defile the planet for over 100 years but we would also do well to not let BEVs become the 'recycled plastic drinking bottles' of the 2020's and 2030's.

...just sayin'

 

Worldometer link offers option to re-sort by population (per capita) which offers a different perspective. Potentially more realistic. Maybe not though, for our Australian readers

Three thousand cubic feet per capita (per year) is a heckuva pile.

 

He did, however post a link that readily allows per capita comparisons. That's a good thing, aside from other fulminations.
Saved me from making another darn spreadsheet

 

Per cap is more dramatic as a bar graph (about halfway down the page)
Coal Power Emissions Per Capita | Ember

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China coal consumption has been declining (slowly!) since about 2007. I expect that to continue to decrease but still slowly. US is decreasing faster, and its 'per cap' will probably be lower than PRC in not-too-many years. Seems like a laudable goal to me.

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But I'm still interested in your first post, which has not been followed up. Who is expanding lithium extraction now, where, and by what means?

 

Besides what Tesla is stating in regards to direct mining of minerals, I really love how this stuff is presented to the unwashed potential customers, are the market brokers advertising Super Lithium and both green and blue gas as the next best thing to come down the pike and a huge upside, besides.

I posted before about a UCSD theorical astro physics professor with a huge blog called Do the Math.
In the blog is a reference to the American carbon footprint per ca pita. <spell checked without the space >
I'll try to locate the reference, but please don't hold me to it if I can't find it.
Anyways here a link to one post - there should be something in the blog to interest almost everyone.
Tom Murphy Profile | Do the Math
There is even a reference to the world population clock of the early 60 developed the C Company I intelligence A agency. It's pretty had to relocate it though. I've failed a few times already.

I'd like to give ETC(SS) some credit for responding. Being in this countries mil requires meeting unique reSTRICTions that can sometimes be beyond the understanding of non mil civilians, like myself. Sure it would be nice if all mil personnel had the opportunity to speak freely on any subject, but that's not always the case, especially if said personnel want to remain in service. I believe there are some parts of the video that would not be looked kindly upon by ranking officers if the subject ever came to light. So, imo, I'd not want to judge harshly anything that was posted above in #10

But I'm with you in many other respects being discussed in this thread.

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I'd not judge harshly anything that was posted above in #10 either. Silly falls within PriusChat's big tent, and this big tent includes readers who can discern and sort. Let them; let us all.

 

If I let them and didn't respond with my thoughts I'd probably have to ignore at least half the post that have Quoted my posts and many of them do hit me in a very negative context, not naming names yet though.
Even to the point of crying about how badly my posts hit them after they've blasted me half way to hell and back and sometimes even in groups of like minded members. Should I mention the one pet subject that drives a lot of current members to aggressive greed, or can you guess without me actually typing it's name?

 

I am huge supporter of hybrids as a rational approach minimizing both fossil fuel use and metals resources. Also explains why Toyota is still using some NiMH...guess my 2020 RAV4HV is still the nickel.

 

It likely is NiMH, but not long it did get the Li-ion pack for half a year, pre-pandemic IIRC. I'm guessing supply issues for the NiMH. Li-ion is likely cheaper though.