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Back-to-Back Hybrid Test Drives

Discussion in 'Other Cars' started by Tideland Prius, Apr 25, 2005.

  1. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
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    Today, I went to the local automall and had a chance to try out two hybrids - the Accord Hybrid and the Escape Hybrid. Here are my observations and comments as follows:

    Accord Hybrid:

    It handles well and is rather quiet. A smooth shifting automatic helps. Engine noise under full throttle is rather low. The engine goes into ECO mode (cylinder deactivation) basically whenever my foot's off the accelerator for more than 2 secs or so. Without the light, I can't tell if it's in 3 or 6 cylinder mode. Emergency braking was straight and unevenful (sorta). The ABS kicked in at the last moment which is good so it's not overly sensitive. The problem was that the salesman wasn't wearing a seatbelt and he was sitting in the back seat so when I punched the brake pedal, he flew towards the front seat :p. It is powerful as advertised but looking down at the average fuel consumption gauge in the instrument panel, it was sitting at 13.4L/100km (17.5mpg). I was able to lower it to 13.3 lol. There is no instant fuel economy gauge so that was disappointing. There are 6 bars in the battery meter and it didn't budge even though I accelerated hard to test the acceleration. The ECO light is dead centre and easy to see but the AUTO STOP wasn't and the wheel blocked it. The engine did stop once at a light but turned on moments later.

    Now to the not-so-good points. The transition from regenerative to friction brakes isn't smooth. At 20km/h (13mph), you can feel the brake pads grab the rotors. Another way to tell that the friction brakes are taking over is when you see the green charging bar start decreasing to zero. With regards to the interior, my mother thought the leather felt cheap and the interior too dull (we had the black/metallic interior). I thought the metallic trim was a nice contrast but apparently there's not enough of it to satisfy my mother.

    Overall, it's a nice vehicle like any other Accord but the hybrid system only comes to play when full acceleration is needed. Cylinder deactivation and auto stop is nice and like John said, they're not hybrid-specific features and should be included on all vehicles. I'm impressed with IMA but again, I still prefer the Prius.

    Note: The salesman did try to play down the Prius when I mentioned it, comparing it to the HCH. He said it got similar mileage and is the same size. I told him it was bigger, then he said the Accord was more powerful and luxurious. :roll: Well, I mean he *does* work for Honda so it's only natural he's biased towards their products (and me to my Prius :D)

    Escape Hybrid:

    This is where you see the difference between a Japanese company dealership and an American company. For some reason or another, the salespeople there have a different mindset. Unlike the Honda dealership, this Ford dealership had 6 Escape Hybrids on the lot. There's one problem. Every single one of them is loaded to the max with 4WD, Nav, 115V socket, tonneau cover, leather, side airbags and so on. I'm not sure if they're trying to get on the hybrid hype or not but Cdn$41,000 is a lot to pay for a Ford Escape. The gap's bigger than the HCH vs. Civic Si or LX-G. Also, he kept mentioning that "it's a Ford" and "it's a truck!" or "It's a Ford truck!" and seems pretty proud of that. I was definitely looking forward to this test drive since it'll be nice to see what Ford did in terms of full-hybrid capabilities. He gave me the low-down on full hybrid things, before I started questioning him about type of CVT, battery voltage and whether it had the battery powering the rear wheels exclusively [à la HiHy or RX400h] (for which he replied, "no it's has 4WD and it's a Ford truck"). Anyway, he decided to show me the EV mode but obviously it doesn't start right away so he took it out to the street before letting me take over.

    First off, the ride is on the firm side but I suppose in line with other SUVs. EV mode is great. It will allow greater prodding of the accelerator before the engine cuts in. The engine will come on after 40km/h no matter what and will not shut off until it's below 40km/h no matter what. The Consumption Screen is a bit hard to decipher at first glance and the Energy Monitor is rather basic. However, the arrows will vary in size depending on how much power is being sent or charged (which I thought was useful). The interior is typical Ford and not very appealing. There is a lot of greyness in the cabin. The engine is noisy under hard acceleration, more so than the Prius but does seem to get up to speed faster (either that or I'm too light on the Prius lol). The battery is HUGE (as some of you might have seen from photos) and covers the entire cargo area with "Ford Motor Company" and the Ford logo imprinted on the shiny case.

    Unlike the Prius or the Accord, the brake pedal on the Escape is very firm and actually, the firmest pedal I've ever encountered (perhaps someone with a regular Escape can tell me if it's normal). This made braking very hard to modulate and my stops were rather jerky. However, I could not tell when the friction brakes came into play and there wasn't the extra (small) lurch near the end of a stop that we get in the Prius. Emergency braking proved to be a little odd. For one thing, there was tyre squeal. Twice, might I add so that was rather odd especially when the Escape is equipped with ABS. The turning circle is wider than the Accord as expected and it was hard to judge. I apparently stopped too early before the curb but the salesman leaned out the window and told me to keep going. Looks like I need to drive a wider variety of cars!

    Just to add a few more things, there's still the typical A/C and MAX A/C modes that Ford has and, at least I was told, MAX A/C leaves the engine running like in the Classic Prius. The Escape Hybrid has some separate cooling thingamajig to keep the heater running when the engine's off; I thought that was rather ingenious.

    All in all, it was okay. I like the fact that I can press harder and still stay in EV mode. I snuck up on a salesman back at the lot. The customer he was attending to had to tell him that I was behind.

    Sorry about the long post but I thought I'd be as detailed as possible. After testing these two back-to-back, I would have to say I was more impressed with the Accord. For one thing, it's cheaper and it's better made. Unfortunately, it doesn't have the cargo capacity of the Escape (Heck, the Echo has more trunk space the HAH). However, the Prius is the best compromise (if you could call it that) and the only thing that might pry me away, is another Prius.
     
  2. Tideland Prius

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    P.S. Sorry, I might have been a little unclear about the Escape's engine. It will come on at startup if it's cold (like it did on the test drive) but what I was trying to say is that it seemed to be programmed to take advantage of the battery (unlike the Accord) and it will try to stay off until >40km/h (25mph)
     
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    Thanks very much for taking the time to write up this comparison. :clap:

    I found the information (particularly about the Escape) extremely interesting.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tideland Prius\";p=\"84051)</div>
    No, it has "all wheel drive" and is *not* based on a body-on-frame truck.

    Salescreatures! Yeesh! :roll:
     
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    Yeah well, "it's a Ford Truck" ain't it?!?! hahaha. Sorry, I just can't get over that.

    Bookrats,

    good to know you thought it was useful. In terms of hybrid technology, the Escape was pretty damn good. But for god's sake, spend some extra money and beef up the interior. It looks like a Tonka truck with plastic panels everywhere. Granted, the Prius' door panels and dash are plastic but at least they look and feel expensive
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tideland Prius\";p=\"84392)</div>
    Different vehicles for different missions. You're more likely to munge up the interior of an Escape with cargo, sand, dirt, etc. The emphasis is more on durability and ease of cleaning.

    Now the Prius... there's no excuse to have such a cheap interior in this car. The Camry, which is in the same price range, has a interior which is leagues better.
     
  7. Tideland Prius

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    That is true and I will agree with your statement. However, with regards to the Escape, that'll be the cargo area. I doubt that much dirt would be on the dashboard and door panels though I could be wrong.

    I will also agree with you on the Camry statement. I do like the soft touch material on the door panels of our 02 Camry but note that the Camry IS a Cdn$25-$36k car while the Prius, even though it's in the same range ($30-$37k), has roots on the economy side of the equation. Given that, I think it's still pretty good given their tight budget constraints.
     
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    I still have to disagree about the Prius interior. I'm not sure what the Jetta costs up there, but down here the base Jetta is 19K, which is nearly 2K below the Prius. Sit in the interior of the Jetta, and sit in the interior of the Prius, and you'd probably get the impression that the Prius is a 12-15K car.
     
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    Jetta starts at $25k ($26k for the new 06)

    True, VWs and Audis have very nice interior but we know the Prius is no Camry. At least it is better than the Echo's plastic. I know some people related hard plastics to cheap quality and I would prefer more cloth inserts on the door panels rather than huge slabs of plastics. Despite that, I think Toyota did a good job with the interior despite using lower quality materials (as they've done with the Echo, Corolla, Matrix)