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Bad gas? Sudden MPG drop.

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Fuel Economy' started by Scott_R, Aug 6, 2006.

  1. Scott_R

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    I recently finished my very first tank, squeaking in over 500 miles, and with the Prius computer's estimate of 52mpg average.

    I filled up at a brand-name gas station (Hess); the pump had a sign that said 10% ethanol, which I believe is the legal standard here in NY.

    All of a sudden, despite my driving habits and routes remaining virtually the same, I'm barely squeezing out about 40-41 MPG ever since. This started immediately after filling up. For the first ~50 miles, I was getting about 36 mpg until I reset the thing in disgust (so that 40-41 is calculated without that first 50 or so miles).

    Can I presume the gas is defective in some way, or is there another explanation?

    I know that AC can make a difference but about 10 mpg? And though we have a heatwave here in NY, the mileage drop-off started before the heatwave hit, and without a change in my AC use. Would the car have been shipped with the tank full (and without an ethanol additive), or would it have been filled by the dealer, presumably with the 10%?

    Any other guesses?
     
  2. efusco

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    Many factors, check tire pressure, dramatic drops that I've seen have almost always been due to one tire being low.

    The 10% Ethanol will have an impact as will A/C use, esp. with cooler settings and higher temps.
     
  3. tripp

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    Yeah, I recently ruined one of my integrities with a puncture. Had a nail punch a hole and the side walls were ruined. Mileage was sucking for a few days as the tyre slowly leaked. Went out one morning and the car was listing. That explained it.
     
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    I agree, the only time I have had a significant drop in mpg was when I found a slow leak and the tires were 10 psi down. Tire pressure is definitely first thing to check.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Aug 6 2006, 09:35 PM) [snapback]298802[/snapback]</div>

    Finally had the chance to check tire pressure, all four were at OEM specs. I upped that by 2psi each anyway.

    A/C use has been consistent, both when I was getting 50 mpg and now that I'm averaging 42. The heat broke over the last few days and I've dropped A/C use (temp is set to 76 degrees), but mpg remains low (low compared to what I was getting, that is).

    It was a sudden change right upon I refilling: dropping from 52+ mpg down to 42.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ScottR @ Aug 8 2006, 09:23 AM) [snapback]299570[/snapback]</div>
    How many miles on the tank? The heat is a big factor and it'll take quite a few miles of driving to work the mileage back up.



    Give us about 10 more tanks of gas and let us know how your average is doing...that will be a much more useful and practical number to work with.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Aug 8 2006, 10:26 AM) [snapback]299572[/snapback]</div>

    500+ miles on the first tank, averaging 52mpg
    About 800 miles on the second tank, averaging 42.6 mpg--and that is after resetting the thing to discount the first 75 miles (or whatever it was) averaging 36 mpg

    It was a bright-line change: the day after the fill up, mpg plummeted. I'd averaged 52 mpg counting before I'd learned more economy tricks, so I'm sure I was averaging mid-50s for the last 100-200 miles. Then I filled up, and mpg dropped by almost 20 mpg until it crept back up to low/mid 40s.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ScottR @ Aug 8 2006, 01:42 PM) [snapback]299684[/snapback]</div>
    How on earth did you go 800 miles on your second tank? at 42 mpg, that would be close to a 20 gallon bladder?!?!?!?
     
  9. tripp

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(sl7vk @ Aug 8 2006, 12:44 PM) [snapback]299709[/snapback]</div>
    I think he means 800 miles total. It is his second tank. ScottR, try resetting the MFD after each tank. You'll get a better picture of what's going on.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(sl7vk @ Aug 8 2006, 02:44 PM) [snapback]299709[/snapback]</div>

    Yah, what Tripp said. I meant 800 miles total, 300 miles on the second tank. I was thinking "how many miles do I have on the car now?" and wrote down the answer.

    I reset the MFD when I filled up, thus the low MPG reading on the second tank--the reading does not average in the first tanks mpg average.
     
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    Happened to me twice. Switched gas brands and problem solved.

    I've seen it in non-hybrid cars too.
     
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    Yep, it was the gas. I filled up at a different service station when 2 bars were left; at 67 miles on the new tank, my average MPG jumped from the mid-40s, which was the best I could average on tank #2 (or low 40s driving more "normally").


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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ScottR @ Aug 6 2006, 08:20 PM) [snapback]298797[/snapback]</div>
    There must be some way to blame this on George Steinbrenner and the dreaded Yankees. :D
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ScottR @ Aug 6 2006, 08:20 PM) [snapback]298797[/snapback]</div>
    This happened to me too. Got great milage around here and on trip to New London Ct. Filled up there with NO Brand and got rotten milage back to Pa. Refilled at home and am back to good milage. Thats with Sunoco or Hess with 10% ethanol and always running tires as per manual. I just increased pressure to see how that affects milage. Plus trying to get more miles out of Integs. Water in gas gives lousy milage.
     
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    Man I am glad to see this post. I thought maybe my batteries were dying .It just happened to me and I have dropped about 10mpg this tank. I have to go back and see where I filled up, but I think it was Shell. Am I supposed to be looking for 10% ethanol?
     
  16. tripp

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    I don't think a 10% ethanol blend would knock you down like that. How about your tyres? Check to see that they're properly inflated. Even one tyres with a very low pressure will put a very noticeable dent in your mileage.