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Barack Obama and the Prius

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by Cameron, Oct 20, 2006.

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  1. Cameron

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    Senator Barack Obama mentions the Prius during his energy independence speech sponsored by MoveOn.org

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    #1 Cameron, Oct 20, 2006
  2. TonyPSchaefer

    TonyPSchaefer Your Friendly Moderator
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    I sure do like Barack.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TonyPSchaefer @ Oct 20 2006, 01:30 PM) [snapback]335635[/snapback]</div>
    What about him impresses you?
     
    #3 dbermanmd, Oct 20, 2006
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    He lost me when he suggested propping up detroit's big 3.

    He then started focusing on E85 and similar renewable fuels, without acknowledging that there's no way the US can produce enough corn for all these cars.

    In general, it seems like he is trying to get us moving in the right direction, but the political pressure to support american manufacturing has veered him off course a little.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TonyPSchaefer @ Oct 20 2006, 12:30 PM) [snapback]335635[/snapback]</div>
    Isn't it great to have a cool Senator like him? I voted for him in 2004 and would vote him for president in a heartbeat. Too bad I don't think all the red states are ready for a black president, no matter how cool he is.
     
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    Let's elect this guy for president in 08!
     
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    I read an article on him in my undergrad alumni magazine (we went to the same college) and, came away feeling slightly manipulated...but I still can't figure out why.

    Not sure if I'm totally against propping up the big three (big two + MBZ/Chrysler?)...since it's their legacy employment costs which are a primary cause of their current difficulties.

    I think a bailout would be better than a bankruptcy, followed by all of those pension expenses being shifted to the government (a la United).
     
    #7 Pinto Girl, Oct 20, 2006
  8. TonyPSchaefer

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    Being in Illinois, I have had the opportunity to see him live as well as on television and radio. I know that it is not always easy to deliver a prepared speech. I know that it is considerably harder to speak off the cuff.

    For that reason, when I see someone deliver a prepared speech, I keep in the back of my head that they probably prepared that speech and practiced it for days prior to delivery. Some politicians have one speech that they use every day. Needless to say, by the end of the campaign trail their speech and their delivery is polished and perfect.

    However, I choose to judge the wit, wisdom, and demeanor of a person only after listening to them speak off-the-cuff. Especially when someone is firing questions at them (think English Parliament). So back to Barack in person and on tv/radio. In my opinion, as someone who spends a considerable amount of time in front of groups and a club President of Toastmasters International, I enjoy Barack's ability to speak with minor stutters, providing a wide range of vocal variety, establishing and holding eye contact, and speaking with conviction in a way that relates sincerity.

    Additionally, I have yet to hear any back stories of draft dodging, substance abuse (inhaling or not), womanizing, page soliciting, or any other myriad of headline-making scandals that seem to plaque a large percent of public figures. Rather, what I've heard and read is that his background is humble, his education thorough, and his work ethic admirable.

    So that's pretty much it in a nutshell.
     
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    But what if the people living on the government-backed pension bail-out that he has suggested lived in the red states? If it's fair to hate Ken Lay for ruining pensions it should be okay to vote for the person who saves pensions.

    I agree that a bail-it is better than bankruptcy. I don't like it and predicted last year that the Big Three would petition for government money based on the knowledge that no government would want to see that many workers displaced. After all, if any one of the Big Three folded their American operations, the direct and indirect affects on people, communities, and entire cities would be crippling.
     
    #9 TonyPSchaefer, Oct 21, 2006
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    If he makes a run for the White House in 08, he has my vote.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(beeri @ Oct 20 2006, 07:09 PM) [snapback]335916[/snapback]</div>
    In Ugandi, maybe?
     
    #11 Wetnabber, Oct 22, 2006
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Wetnabber @ Oct 22 2006, 07:34 AM) [snapback]336365[/snapback]</div>
    Do you mean Uganda?

    Are you saying this because Obama's father was Kenyan?

    From first impression, your statement appears to reflect a racist attitude. I hope that I am mistaken about it.
     
    #12 IsrAmeriPrius, Oct 22, 2006
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsrAmeriPrius @ Oct 22 2006, 02:43 PM) [snapback]336477[/snapback]</div>
    no, no, no, I mean Ugandi - you know, India
     
    #13 Wetnabber, Oct 22, 2006
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Wetnabber @ Oct 22 2006, 06:46 PM) [snapback]336534[/snapback]</div>
    Still not sur what you mean - I Googled Ugandi and found that it is somehow related to Estonia and Yugoslavia. Not much information was there.
    Or is this a some type of joke related to Gandhi?
     
    #14 chimohio, Oct 22, 2006
  15. TonyPSchaefer

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    Ohhh now I get it.
    This website explains it clearly: http://www.uganditk.ee/

    Damn. I know dry wit but that takes the cake.
     
    #15 TonyPSchaefer, Oct 22, 2006
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    What in the hell is wetnabber talking about?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TonyPSchaefer @ Oct 22 2006, 06:43 PM) [snapback]336565[/snapback]</div>
    Okay, now I'm confused by Wetnabber and Tony. Of course, Tony's good at that.
    I like Barack as well, he seems to have his head on straight, but he's too new for me to know much about him. I'd probably go for McCain, if I had the choice. The Republicans should've helped him out in 2000 instead of backing Bush, life would be so different now (and better, and our Constution would still be a guiding principle, oh I better stop now).
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(nerfer @ Oct 22 2006, 08:50 PM) [snapback]336621[/snapback]</div>
    McCain is to the Republicans as to what Dean is to the Dems -- a bit of an unstable nutjob. I can't see a candidate yet Dem, Repub or other that interests me for '08. Don't know much about Obama but his resume seems pretty thin - but then again, Bush II got in! :lol: Say what you like pro or con about Bush I, but the man did have a resume. To bad siring GWB was part of the resume too though.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TimBikes @ Oct 24 2006, 09:43 PM) [snapback]337847[/snapback]</div>
    A lil known fact about Barack is he drove away in an SUV from that speech. Somewhat hypocritical. But at least it fooled some he was sincere.

    And the crack about red states not voting for a black person was pure prejudiced. This last election was proof of it.

    I live in so cal and find there is so much more racism here than I've ever encountered anywhere else in the USA. I see and hear it daily.

    I didn't wish to make my first post this way but have no tolerance for people walking lock step and repeating BS. Try being sceptical for a change about what your leaders tell you.
    Green is not a left or right thing, its a help the earth quality type of thing.

    I want to get a Prius myself and I'm green but some of you people need to realize you are just being told what you want to hear. I hope I haven't burnt too many bridges.
     
    #19 joe hybrid, Nov 9, 2006
  20. livelychick

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(joe hybrid @ Nov 9 2006, 08:16 PM) [snapback]346663[/snapback]</div>
    Nope. We knew that.

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(joe hybrid @ Nov 9 2006, 08:16 PM) [snapback]346663[/snapback]</div>
    Umm...who was proof? I think Ford didn't get elected.
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(joe hybrid @ Nov 9 2006, 08:16 PM) [snapback]346663[/snapback]</div>
    Ever lived in Mississippi or Alabama? Just curious...
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    You'll find a healthy dose of skepticism on this board. As far as your points, you must always question your leaders; that doesn't mean that you can't be satisfied with the answers. Concerning Obama, I for one miss having a President with a modicum of thought and intelligence. I'm not sure he's ready, but I know when he walks in a room, he's in the top percentage of intelligent people there. Reminds me of of the last Democratic Prez we had...I just hope this one doesn't have a predilection for interns.

    Welcome to PriusChat!
     
    #20 livelychick, Nov 9, 2006
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