Best gen Prius to drive to 500,000 miles ?

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  1. drewbabich

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    Best gen Prius to drive to 500,000 miles in taxi use?

    (Sorry if there is a better forum for this question)

    I've read a lot of stuff about reliability on the two cars, and what I read was the gen 2 seemed more ruggedly over built?

    Ive read all about the gen 2 taxis that have gone 500k.... But are the gen 3s as reliable?

    But that was a few years ago when the gen 3s weren't old enough to have 500k on them.

    -----My personal Prius gen 2 vs gen 3 assessment-----

    I've owned a 04 that I took to 240,000 miles before it was rear ended that to end it's life. It was running like new aside from some New England suspension, brake and exhaust rust failure issues. That car consumed some oil and I had to replace the GPS screen. (Easy to replace)

    Then I had a lovely 2010 that I said goodbye to so that my daughter could ride safely and economically with her mother after we seperated. That car has about 120k on it now. I did replace a front wheel bearing. That car also likes to go thru headlight bulbs. (Maybe installation fail now that I'm not doing them).

    I've have/ had three Highlander hybrids that have been/are tanks. Never any hybrid component failures. They all are at or past 200,000 miles. Two are still on the road. Love them but they don't compare to the Prius insane mpgs.... Especially when pushing wind.

    I honestly loved my 04 prius as much or more then my 2010. I can get another 04 dirt cheap $2000 with 200k. I can get a 2010 for double the price for $5000 with 200k.

    I don't mind the increased cost cause a 2010 would look better to customers....But I really ONLY care about which gen is built to last to 500k better. I would love to get a car to 500k. I don't mind replacing batteries . I don't wanna replace engines or inverters . Is one better equiped to go to 500k?

    Assuming I can get an 04 in same condition as a 2010 from down south that's rust free is the gen 2 better equipped for a long life then the 2010? I want to buy one with 170k or more on it

    Similarities between the two I've had
    -Too loud on highway. More dampening please
    -similar insane gas mpgs. Never felt like one was better in town or on highway mpg wise....
    -seats felt equal to me for comfort
    -never had a hybrid component issue

    My gen 3 pros
    -slightly better looks
    -def more fun and tight for going with traffic between 80 and 100 mph. (Don't scold me for this please I know that's not good for mpgs or safety, but I going with traffic, it's rare, and I love a good Autobahn run getting 30 to 35 mpgs when everyone else is getting 20.... )
    -More space I guess but I never felt like I needed more then I had in my gen 2
    -cool sunroof solar fans that I really didn't need
    -Better highway power
    -It never burned oil like my gen 2

    Gen 2
    -better center console layout for my prefference
    -More punch off the line I thought. (Bigger electric motor I think). I loved smashing the gas down all the time getting 40 mpg still
    - better radio reception I feel
    -I like the multicolor display more
    -maybe a little better gas mpgs around town if hypermiling?
    - PROVEN 500,000 mile longevity potential
    - wheel bearings that never failed
    -some neat efficient gagets like gas bladders and heated coolant reservoirs..... Maybe that's a con if they fail though?
     
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    When my kids mom drove both cars it seemed like she got under 40 mpgs more often in the gen 3 then gen 2...... That used to always blow my mind a little..... I think she loved the power button and the heat and AC on all the darn time.....

    I never got under 40 mpgs in either car but often seemed to get 50 + more regularly in the gen 2 now that I think about it.
     
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    I agree with your list. The gen 2 is a great 500,000 mile cars. More robust! Love the gen 3 though! The gen 2s little engine can sound a little unrefined
     
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    Planning for half a million miles is difficult. Even though the Prius is a reliable car, Toyota's engineers didn't design it to last that long. Some have gone that distance, but it's probably an extremely small percent of the whole. If you look at the attached chart from Dashboard Light, you can see that the midpoint at which Prii are traded in is around 125,000 miles. Several go past 200,000 miles, and some hit 300,000. But the ones that can get to 500,000 miles or more without serious repairs are few and far between. So whichever generation you choose, you will almost invariably need to set aside a few thousand dollars for big repairs unless you're extraordinarily lucky.
     

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    Consider ....spare engine and power train for spare parts.....hybrid battery is consumable part of this engineering....
    Going with oil samples and preventive maintenance....ether of two will see this type of miles.......
    You will need to go to different weight of oil depending on weather.....
    I have seen and worked on prius over 500 k miles......
    Expecting this type of life is just not how this cars are designed
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    Heavy class 5-7 are made up to 500k miles .....will go up to 800k with loss in comparison and oil burning
    Class 8 are rated to 1-1.3 million miles and will see easy 1.7 million miles with good maintenance...
    If you have reliable shop and watch for online auctions to buy salvaged car for parts you will definitely benefit with this versus gas power
    We all know that this car do give you best MPG in stop and go traffic
     
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    will you be diy'ing, or paying someone to do repairs?
     
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    Don't buy a Prius based on if you think you'll make it to 500,000 miles. Many electrical things will go wrong
     
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    My 2009 just hit 245K miles. I figured I was about half way through it's life but am I being too optimistic with statements that a few make it over 200K miles? I've had zero repairs except for the enhanced warranty on the combo meter.
     
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    An article said only .5% of all private vehicles make it to 250,000 miles.

    You are ambitious.
     
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    My 1982 diesel suburban made it to 438000 miles and still ran but was rusted out everywhere
     
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    In addition to the regular maintenance you do on your car, driving conditions, environment, and random luck regarding the quality of each individual part of the car all have an effect on how many miles your car goes before it's done. The overall numbers as referenced above say you're in rare company for having made it this far. But no one can say what will happen with your particular Prius. It's fine to be optimistic and hope for 500,000 miles on your Prius. It very well could get there. And it could also have a bunch of things start to go wrong or need repairs due to wear and tear. Since your goal is to hit 500,000 miles, I'd say hope for the best and plan for the worst. That means start saving up money for car repairs just in case, so you'll be prepared if you need to fix something. And in the meantime, enjoy your incredibly reliable car and good luck on the road to half a million miles!
     
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    I should probably disclose that my cat is bad. I did the acid bath (oxalic acid and citric acid) and it worked for about 4K miles which was more than enough to get it smogged but I didn't use a pump to flow the solution through the honey comb which supposedly is required rather than just have it sit there. In 1.5 years when it's up for smog again, I'll give it another shot the right way. Disclosing that because I said zero repairs which doesn't mean nothing wrong with it :)

    I guess I've been influenced by the 299,999 thread and the multi hundred K odometer readings on craigs list. I'm looking for a Prius for both my mom and my sister and frequently see 250K+ examples. Still, that doesn't tell us what the percentage above 200K is.

    Still the 0.5% is the number of total of all makes and models that make it above 200K. I suspect it's much much higher for certain models like the the Prius. We sold our 95 Lexus SC400 3 years ago with 334K miles on it. It too had never had a repair *AND* had never had anything go wrong with it up to that point.

    On the Prius, I changed out the transaxle fluid 3 times so far. First at 60K. It was black. Second time at 90K where it looked new and again at 150K where it still looked new. What this told me is that the initial change is the most important to remove break in material.
     
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    According to the long-term quality index, Toyotas tend to have approximately twice as high a percentage of vehicles over 180,000 miles as the average (22% vs. average of 11%), and the Prius is one of the most reliable Toyotas, so it can be extrapolated there are more like 1-2% of Prii with your mileage or higher, instead of the average of 0.5%. And obviously, your car is doing well. But that's still not a very big percentage, so I'd save for some repairs in your future, just to be safe. The catalytic converter is going to be expensive when you get it fixed "right" for emissions, and brakes are expected expenses as your car ages and the miles add up.
     
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    $2000 in california. A fraction of that if I drive to another state and have it replaced with an aftermarket that performs just as well OR replace it with a used factory cat. The former not technically legal but it will pass. The latter also not technically legal but it is less morally ambiguous.

    But in my case, by the time I need to smog it again, I'll have 320 to 330K miles on it. If it lasts that long, the car will have paid back the entire purchase price in fuel savings plus some. At that point I'd just sell it as is for parts or part it out and sell the remaining as scrap.
     
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    That's pretty impressive! For my miles traveled and current gasoline prices, I'd have to keep my Prius for 20 years to make up the purchase price in fuel efficiency over my last vehicle. But on the upside, if I make it that far with my Prius, it will have close to 400,000 miles on it! :LOL:
     
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    Hey I've had four Toyota's hybrids that ran like new cars in New england no less between 200 and 251k. These cars get punished as taxis. I'm a believer that 400k is def very attainable.

    Two got wiped out in accidents at 235k. One is going strong at 251k and another just turned 200k. The only one that gave me problems was an 06 Highlander hybrid that just had massive suspension/bearing/AC system/ driveshaft failures all attributed to corrosion issues. But I fixed them all. At 235k it was still running like new when it got totaled.

    My buddies company regularly gets 300k out of cheap Chrysler minivans and another gets 300k out of oddyesse's vans that are notorious for bad trannies.

    Sure 500k is a goal. I will have no problem scrapping the car at 250k if something major breaks that will cost more then a used Prius...

    I plan to do all my own repairs save engine or inverter failure. I have my Toyota master tech working on the side for jobs like that.

    But what I haven't learned from these posts....

    Is the gen 2 better equiped for going the long haul then the gen 3!!!???

    Does the gen 2 burn more oil then the gen 3?

    What was built more rugged on the gen 2?

    I don't believe electrical issues are a major concern. I haven't seen any electrical issues yet.
     
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    On Car Complaints, it looks like oil burning stops being a problem in the 2012 gen 3 refresh. Overall reliability is a bit better in the Gen 3 according to the current True Delta numbers. So I'd probably suggest a 2012 or later model based on your priorities.
     
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    Looking at this from a different perspective, Gen II has more repair parts in the junkyard and likely at a cheaper price point.

    2009 Gen II likely has the least calendar aging and repaired/aftermarket packs are more available.

    So if you plan to fix the car anyway a later Gen II is probably cheaper from a numeric point of view, if you want it to last longer off the bat a 2012+ Gen III is the better deal .

    At this point the failure rates are ambiguous comparing the different gen cars.

    I guess you won't know until you've driven your selection long enough to break.
     
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    Our 2007 Prius hit 444,444 miles yesterday. I have changed the brakes once, did the shocks twice, and the catalytic converter twice. The catalytic converter was 1k plus at Toyota. We had an independent muffler shop do it for $200 each time. The car burns a quart of oil every 800-1000 miles. We replaced the headlights twice. That was expensive.

    Good luck!

    (My 70k XJ8 Jaguar exploded at 60k miles. It was more to fix it than it was worth, how's that for a comparison?!?)
     
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    The Gen 3s typically were known for burning oil. I had a Gen 2 that burned synthetic oil, but didn't burn as much with conventional oil. Some people run conventional 5w-30 oil in the Gen 3s if they start burning oil since it's thicker.
     
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